Numetal had some epic bad drama at least before the split. People playing the game have been saying (at least in my ear range) that the game is fun and low drama currently.

Chaos I never heard a bad thing about and seems to be a standup guy, although I don’t know him.

This is hearsay so I cannot be 100 percent sure everything is fact, but what I put together is:

The game was mostly in the hands of Pika/JuJube (Head staffer and Garou storyteller), Polk (paying for it and hosting it, but not officially staff), Beckett (Coder and player of the Garou alpha), Chaos (Vampire staffer), Starchild (currently staff, but not at the time of the fallout), Erik/SonofThor (Changeling Staffer) and SaintiyFree (not staff, but was a Queen bee who was influencing things and was besties with Pika).

Pika is someone talked about on another thread here about being sexually aggressive toward males and hostile toward females on Ares games.

Chaos has a good rep as far as I know.

Beckett has a decent rep as far as I know.

Polk again was hosting and paying for the game.

Erik or SonofThor from Arx got banned there for sexual harassment.

Sainityfree claims to have been mushing for a long time and was staff on some old games. She has a gazallion alts on Liberation who got into a lot of drama which may or may not be primarily her doing.

Anyways, Saintyfree and Beckett are or were close. Becket was the Garou alpha and she was his mate. Pika played a pure breed 4, silver fang, Hermetic mage with Arcane 10 who hung around the Caern casting magic and solving all the Garou’s problems. On her game’s discord Pika was sexually inappropriate about men, often posting up topless or shower pics she made with AI of male celebs.

On the Garou channel she was heavily flirty and sometimes sexually inappropriate with most of the players of male characters in the sphere. As the head staffer, storyteller of the sphere and the player of a kinfolk mage with Godlike power who could easily kill their alts, it seemed possible that some males could feel pressured to respond to her sexual and flirty attentions.

Her and Saintyfree were initially best buds and even sort of meangirl like together, but after Pika ran a plot that infected Saintyfree’s princess (a direct descendent of Rasputin pure breed five, appearance 5 silver fang kinfolk with tons of super special powers) with festering infected sores that would probably leave ugly scars if they ever healed at all, the friendship seemed to end.

Pika’s mage kin then had the boys who were carriers of the plague, but who didn’t get the sores come to her lab for treatment where they had to stay for an extended time. She would joke on the channel about how all the Garou men needed to get naked and stay with her to be cured, which wasn’t far from the truth of how the story went.

The friendships were starting to crack. Everything reached a head when Erik, the changeling staffer started to sexually harass Becket’s ooc wife who also played on this game. She reported it to staff and Pika’s response was allegedly.

“As a woman, I know your wife is a slut and wanted his attentions. She just didn’t want you to know she encouraged him” Erik was pardoned of any punishment and Becket, his wife, Saintyfree (who is close to Becket - but also sores) and Polk all left together. I don’t like Saintyfree to say the least, but I agree with the reasons they left and I agree with them standing with Beckett’s wife.

I am not fully sure why Polk pulled the plug and I know he has a terrible rep and this is not the first time he pulled a plug. That being said, it seems like it did have something to do with the treatment of Beckett’s wife and while I don’t agree with him pulling it, at least he had more of a cause this time around.

Pika then hunted down Beckett’s wife on another game and harassed her there, yelling at her after she left Numetal and blocked Pika on Discord.

Saintyfree started a private invite only game with Polk hosting and Beckett coding. Not sure how that is going.

Pika, Chaos, Starchild and Erik stayed together and opened Numetal back up. I am not sure if Erik is involved still. People report enjoying the game and Pika seems to have chilled out quite a bit. She seems to be letting Chaos and Starchild do most of the staffing and storytelling.

The only person I really feel bad for in this all is Beckett’s wife as it was gross imo to slut-shame her. I don’t know her and I don’t really love the clique she hangs out in, but regardless I don’t like to see someone slut-shamed.

If the suggested feelings of suicide are sincere, I suggest that help be sought immediately from a qualified mental health professional who is not associated with the mushing community. Forums like this are not the right place to address such imo and for so many reasons.

https://www.mhanational.org/resources/988

You dial 988. One can also dial 911 if feeling suicidal.

If the feelings are not sincere, I would also suggest taking a break from games and mushing to focus on getting well as dropping suicide into the conversation even if not done in good faith, is a serious situation.

I wish you the very best in your real life.

I normally am not into suggesting that people need therapy as that can be condescending and trying to chair arm diagnosis. However, when suicide is brought up, I always advise getting off game professional help as quickly as possible.

The mushing community is not qualified to address feelings suicide especially on a forum like this. Even if there is a Psychologist here with experience in suicide prevention, this is not the right venue or way to get help.

There are most likely players here who have experienced the suicide of a family member or other loved one or have dealt with suicidal feelings themselves. Bringing this into the conversation has the potential to be triggering and upsetting to some people.

I can only speak for myself, but I am pretty confident that the people here only want the best for you ooc regardless of any mush dramas.

While you haven’t gone this far yet, as it was more passively hinted to “I can see why” Instead of “I feel like or am going to” threats of suicide has been used by some of the worse of creepers in mushing as a way to prevent people from sharing experiences about them, reporting them to staff, breaking up with their characters, placing down boundaries and so forth.

I once had a girl tell me if my character dumped her or flirted with another girl, she would commit suicide in real life. Not wanting harm to come to this girl, I let a toxic relationship go on longer than it should have and others probably have had similar experiences. So I don’t think we should be dropping the Suicide word lightly.

If one needs to come here about those feelings, take it to an off game ooc focused board and ask people to help find resources. I believe that people would be happy to help search for some numbers one could call for help.

I appreciate you banning Inuki. It was never my intention when sharing this story for things to go this way and I absolutely do not wish any real life or ooc harm on anyone in our community.

It becomes complicated now to talk about, as the story I shared was really just the tip of the iceberg. I wasn’t sure if I was going to share it or not and it mostly came to me from reports from other people who I trust.

Even now, I am like I don’t really want to go too much more into it in case they turn out to be serious about the possibility of self-harm.

What I will say though is that when people in mushing talk about suicide in response to complaints about them or their behavior, they are likely being manipulative in one of the most toxic of ways.

I read part of the other thread on her just now and can see that the pattern of hating female players and creeping on male players lines up.

Even giving out scars to pretty female characters when she is storytelling seems to be a pattern.

Eirik has a well-documented history of sexual harassment. The odds that he was totally the innocent victim of Anya slandering him are low. Even if Anya made mistakes and went back to him, she should be able to report her concerns to staff without being slut-shamed.

This situation with Inuki brings to light that is it not only male players who act creepy and it is not only female players who are the victim of such.

Imagine if male staffer was posting up pictures of topless, or naked or showering female celebs done by AI? It being a woman doing it about men, doesn’t make it any less cringe.

I agree with Meg and believe that I shouldn’t have brought things about her game or behavior on her game to this thread.

I emphasize with Meg’s viewpoint on the banning and frankly would rather have her still here to give her voice to the discussion as I have more to say and more receipts. I am not comfortable continuing much further with her being gone and because of her response that included suicide.

I do think it was best she was banned as a safe conversation, debate or argument cannot be had regarding her game or behavior on her game when she drops suicide into the conversation. I don’t think it is safe for her or for anyone debating with her to keep her involved in the conversation any longer.

Another possible reason it is unsafe to keep her around is she hunts down those she dislikes across games and venues. She goes under several difference aliases and identities.

@Warma-Sheen has defended Inuki in the past on the other thread.

Everyone is free to make their own choices on if they wish to play this game or not.

One of the other staffers is or at least was Gailin of Arx.

Inuki is not the only victim of Inuki’s behavior in the mushing community. She is the only one to drop the Suicide nuclear bomb onto the conversation when her behavior was discussed. Sometimes those who cry the loudest are not in the most pain.

I wish the best for her health and happiness in her real life.

I do feel that it was fair to discuss her behavior. Other people were hurt and triggered by it. Do we have to go radio silent on bad actors if they are having mental health issues? That is a complicated question and one I don’t have the answer to.

Inuki is not the only victim of Inuki’s behavior in the mushing community. She is the only one to drop the Suicide nuclear bomb onto the conversation when her behavior was discussed. Sometimes those who cry the loudest are not in the most pain.

I wish the best for her health and happiness in her real life.

I do feel that it was fair to discuss her behavior. Other people were hurt and triggered by it. Do we have to go radio silent on bad actors if they are having mental health issues? That is a complicated question and one I don’t have the answer to.

@Warma-Sheen has defended Inuki in the past on the other thread.

Everyone is free to make their own choices on if they wish to play this game or not.

One of the other staffers is or at least was Gailin of Arx.

I agree with Meg and believe that I shouldn’t have brought things about her game or behavior on her game to this thread.

I emphasize with Meg’s viewpoint on the banning and frankly would rather have her still here to give her voice to the discussion as I have more to say and more receipts. I am not comfortable continuing much further with her being gone and because of her response that included suicide.

I do think it was best she was banned as a safe conversation, debate or argument cannot be had regarding her game or behavior on her game when she drops suicide into the conversation. I don’t think it is safe for her or for anyone debating with her to keep her involved in the conversation any longer.

Another possible reason it is unsafe to keep her around is she hunts down those she dislikes across games and venues. She goes under several difference aliases and identities.

I appreciate you banning Inuki. It was never my intention when sharing this story for things to go this way and I absolutely do not wish any real life or ooc harm on anyone in our community.

It becomes complicated now to talk about, as the story I shared was really just the tip of the iceberg. I wasn’t sure if I was going to share it or not and it mostly came to me from reports from other people who I trust.

Even now, I am like I don’t really want to go too much more into it in case they turn out to be serious about the possibility of self-harm.

What I will say though is that when people in mushing talk about suicide in response to complaints about them or their behavior, they are likely being manipulative in one of the most toxic of ways.

I read part of the other thread on her just now and can see that the pattern of hating female players and creeping on male players lines up.

Even giving out scars to pretty female characters when she is storytelling seems to be a pattern.

Eirik has a well-documented history of sexual harassment. The odds that he was totally the innocent victim of Anya slandering him are low. Even if Anya made mistakes and went back to him, she should be able to report her concerns to staff without being slut-shamed.

This situation with Inuki brings to light that is it not only male players who act creepy and it is not only female players who are the victim of such.

Imagine if male staffer was posting up pictures of topless, or naked or showering female celebs done by AI? It being a woman doing it about men, doesn’t make it any less cringe.

If the suggested feelings of suicide are sincere, I suggest that help be sought immediately from a qualified mental health professional who is not associated with the mushing community. Forums like this are not the right place to address such imo and for so many reasons.

https://www.mhanational.org/resources/988

You dial 988. One can also dial 911 if feeling suicidal.

If the feelings are not sincere, I would also suggest taking a break from games and mushing to focus on getting well as dropping suicide into the conversation even if not done in good faith, is a serious situation.

I wish you the very best in your real life.

I normally am not into suggesting that people need therapy as that can be condescending and trying to chair arm diagnosis. However, when suicide is brought up, I always advise getting off game professional help as quickly as possible.

The mushing community is not qualified to address feelings suicide especially on a forum like this. Even if there is a Psychologist here with experience in suicide prevention, this is not the right venue or way to get help.

There are most likely players here who have experienced the suicide of a family member or other loved one or have dealt with suicidal feelings themselves. Bringing this into the conversation has the potential to be triggering and upsetting to some people.

I can only speak for myself, but I am pretty confident that the people here only want the best for you ooc regardless of any mush dramas.

While you haven’t gone this far yet, as it was more passively hinted to “I can see why” Instead of “I feel like or am going to” threats of suicide has been used by some of the worse of creepers in mushing as a way to prevent people from sharing experiences about them, reporting them to staff, breaking up with their characters, placing down boundaries and so forth.

I once had a girl tell me if my character dumped her or flirted with another girl, she would commit suicide in real life. Not wanting harm to come to this girl, I let a toxic relationship go on longer than it should have and others probably have had similar experiences. So I don’t think we should be dropping the Suicide word lightly.

If one needs to come here about those feelings, take it to an off game ooc focused board and ask people to help find resources. I believe that people would be happy to help search for some numbers one could call for help.

Numetal had some epic bad drama at least before the split. People playing the game have been saying (at least in my ear range) that the game is fun and low drama currently.

Chaos I never heard a bad thing about and seems to be a standup guy, although I don’t know him.

This is hearsay so I cannot be 100 percent sure everything is fact, but what I put together is:

The game was mostly in the hands of Pika/JuJube (Head staffer and Garou storyteller), Polk (paying for it and hosting it, but not officially staff), Beckett (Coder and player of the Garou alpha), Chaos (Vampire staffer), Starchild (currently staff, but not at the time of the fallout), Erik/SonofThor (Changeling Staffer) and SaintiyFree (not staff, but was a Queen bee who was influencing things and was besties with Pika).

Pika is someone talked about on another thread here about being sexually aggressive toward males and hostile toward females on Ares games.

Chaos has a good rep as far as I know.

Beckett has a decent rep as far as I know.

Polk again was hosting and paying for the game.

Erik or SonofThor from Arx got banned there for sexual harassment.

Sainityfree claims to have been mushing for a long time and was staff on some old games. She has a gazallion alts on Liberation who got into a lot of drama which may or may not be primarily her doing.

Anyways, Saintyfree and Beckett are or were close. Becket was the Garou alpha and she was his mate. Pika played a pure breed 4, silver fang, Hermetic mage with Arcane 10 who hung around the Caern casting magic and solving all the Garou’s problems. On her game’s discord Pika was sexually inappropriate about men, often posting up topless or shower pics she made with AI of male celebs.

On the Garou channel she was heavily flirty and sometimes sexually inappropriate with most of the players of male characters in the sphere. As the head staffer, storyteller of the sphere and the player of a kinfolk mage with Godlike power who could easily kill their alts, it seemed possible that some males could feel pressured to respond to her sexual and flirty attentions.

Her and Saintyfree were initially best buds and even sort of meangirl like together, but after Pika ran a plot that infected Saintyfree’s princess (a direct descendent of Rasputin pure breed five, appearance 5 silver fang kinfolk with tons of super special powers) with festering infected sores that would probably leave ugly scars if they ever healed at all, the friendship seemed to end.

Pika’s mage kin then had the boys who were carriers of the plague, but who didn’t get the sores come to her lab for treatment where they had to stay for an extended time. She would joke on the channel about how all the Garou men needed to get naked and stay with her to be cured, which wasn’t far from the truth of how the story went.

The friendships were starting to crack. Everything reached a head when Erik, the changeling staffer started to sexually harass Becket’s ooc wife who also played on this game. She reported it to staff and Pika’s response was allegedly.

“As a woman, I know your wife is a slut and wanted his attentions. She just didn’t want you to know she encouraged him” Erik was pardoned of any punishment and Becket, his wife, Saintyfree (who is close to Becket - but also sores) and Polk all left together. I don’t like Saintyfree to say the least, but I agree with the reasons they left and I agree with them standing with Beckett’s wife.

I am not fully sure why Polk pulled the plug and I know he has a terrible rep and this is not the first time he pulled a plug. That being said, it seems like it did have something to do with the treatment of Beckett’s wife and while I don’t agree with him pulling it, at least he had more of a cause this time around.

Pika then hunted down Beckett’s wife on another game and harassed her there, yelling at her after she left Numetal and blocked Pika on Discord.

Saintyfree started a private invite only game with Polk hosting and Beckett coding. Not sure how that is going.

Pika, Chaos, Starchild and Erik stayed together and opened Numetal back up. I am not sure if Erik is involved still. People report enjoying the game and Pika seems to have chilled out quite a bit. She seems to be letting Chaos and Starchild do most of the staffing and storytelling.

The only person I really feel bad for in this all is Beckett’s wife as it was gross imo to slut-shame her. I don’t know her and I don’t really love the clique she hangs out in, but regardless I don’t like to see someone slut-shamed.