@Testament said in On the utility of Logs, Receipts, and Proof:
She even bolded it. That’s the whole, entire point, And your conclusion that you’ve drawn from that is, “Well, you’re just all bigots.” Really?
Really?
No, you’re not all bigots. loleRae is a bigot.
@IoleRae
The point here is that “Don’t be creepy” isn’t actionable advice. Sexpests don’t care and the kind of people who are creepy by accident still won’t know how to not be creepy.
So from a purely practical standpoint, I suggest you either just ban them off the bat or you offer actionable advise which the sexpests will still ignore but the people who did it by accident will actually try to follow and the game be ever so slightly better.
That said, you’re free to remain as bigoted against neurodivergent players as you like.
@Roadspike said in On the utility of Logs, Receipts, and Proof:
@JKER I mean, I’m neurodivergent. I know that I’m not every neurodivergent person (clearly), but I also know that if someone tells me that I’m acting creepy, I don’t ask them to define creepy. I may ask for more details on my behavior, but I don’t ask them to define the term.
The problem I’ve always had with the term “creepy” is that I find in practice it actually means “I don’t enjoy that in this context with that person.” which makes it effectively impossible for me to figure out what any one person finds to be creepy since not only do different people find different things creepy, they find the same behavior to be creepy/non creepy based on who did it and when they did it. So “Don’t be creepy” ends up being a rather unhelpful guide.
So for text based RP, instead of trying to figure out how to “not be creepy.” I usually try to heuristically determine what works for any given player by paying attention to how quickly and verbosely they react to a pose. On average I find that if a player enjoys RPng about something, they’ll engage with it enthusiastically so by following that flow you’ll have reasonable scenes most of the time. If someone doesn’t seem to want to engage in something, it makes no sense to try to push it on them. Also I’ve never been into getting personal OOCly, it seems to be a great generator of both trouble and drama.
@IoleRae said in On the utility of Logs, Receipts, and Proof:
Annoying other players is one thing. Participating in harassment is something else. “Creepy” isn’t about “neuroatypical” behavior being annoying, it’s about being creepy. Those two things are NOT the same, and being neurodivergent does not make you creepy.
I see neurodivergent people being called creepy all the time. Far from everyone has the same idea of what is creepy.
@Roadspike said in On the utility of Logs, Receipts, and Proof:
@Apos Agreed. Any time that someone asks me to define a term that should be common knowledge, I assume that they are just looking for clearly delineated rules that they can push the envelope on and then claim that they’re not breaking the actual rules.
Everyone should know what “creepy” means, and if they can’t avoid it, then they can’t play on any game I run.
They could also just be neuroatypical. Easiest way to tell the difference is neuroatypical players will usually not be deliberately pushing boundaries or engage in predatory behavior but they can often annoy other players.
You can change their rooms however you want however I would say that if you’re going to make a major layout change you should try to create some RP around the remodeling.
I have a hard time seeing anyone object to fixing bad spelling or ugly formatting either way. Your character should have the power to edit their home room, if it doesn’t make a ticket and staff will probably help you out.