Liberation Drama!?
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@BloodAngel Let’s be honest here…Lib is WoD mostly in theme these days. With all the house rules and changes to the spheres like the Werewolves gifts, rage, shifting rules and the Vampire changes to disciplines…etc it’s not based on anything but the loosest of actual game mechanics these days.
There is no way, for instance, for someone who has the books to make a character on paper then come to Lib and translate that character to the game. Some things don’t exist anymore, other things are added, gift trees are totally rearranged…etc…etc.
It’s its own game.
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Most WoD games have, and it is oft said require, house rules to make the mechanics function in a MU format. Why would anyone expect that to be different in this case?
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@Pavel said in Liberation Drama!?:
Most WoD games have, and it is oft said require, house rules to make the mechanics function in a MU format. Why would anyone expect that to be different in this case?
There’s a difference between house rules and “No longer possible to use the books to build the basic frame of a character before joining the game”.
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@Pavel Sure, most games have some house rules. Liberation rewrote the game.
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Huh, I had assumed you were speaking with hyperbole to reference the usual accumulation of house rules that eventually make games nigh-incomprehensible to people who aren’t eyeball deep in it – such a thing is to be expected after years of operation.
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@Popes said in Liberation Drama!?:
@Jynxbox I mean, just because all that’s true, doesn’t mean she’s not doing it wrong. She removed Glabro as a form from Garou for christsakes. That’s asinine and probably REALLY fucking petty.
@Jynxbox I mean, just because that’s all true, doesn’t mean she’s not doing it wrong. She’s put characters where the players wouldn’t have them go. She’s ordered players to have their characters do certain things. She’s ignored players who say “My PC wouldn’t do that,” to those orders, and then weeks or months later insisted that the player agreed and yelled at them for not RPing that their PC did that. She’s fudged rules “just this time” to protect her chosen IC leaders from their mistakes. She’s responded to, ‘I have a plan to gain some real power in my faction, something that Leader can’t just take away,’ with, ‘No. You must be genuinely loyal to Leader or change factions.’ I think probably most players consider that stuff to be crossing a line, and it’s not what she wrote on the box.
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@Pavel Ah, no. I’m being serious when I say Liberation rewrote the game. It goes far beyond just some house rules. Like for instance, and this is just a couple examples for Werewolf:
Only Homids can only shift to Lupus and Crinos. Only Lupus can shift to Homid, Chrinos, and Hispo. There is no Glabro form.
All gifts have been rewritten into a new somewhat tabular ‘path’ system (based off W:TF tiers)
The way rage works was rebuilt.It’s a totally different game than W:TA aside from theme.
Etc. There were changes to Vamp too in regards to Disciplines, adding new tiers…etc.
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@Alamias Yep. In small part it’s sorta sensible – more stuff to spend XP on, slows down those maxed out sheets.
Considering how frustrated players were that they couldn’t get +jobs handled or, y’know, do much, because their GM was too busy rewriting the game system, and how offputting it is to new players to join a game wanting to play WoD20 and find a rewrite, it probably wasn’t anything close to worth it. Unless you count it being fun for Sun to write as the most/only important bit.
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And I thought their ‘unique’ Directors, Producers, Whatevers system was weird.
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@Pavel As a former Producer, it’s interning sans benefits.
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@Muscle-Car said in Liberation Drama!?:
As a former Producer, it’s interning sans benefits.
There are benefits to being ‘Staff’ at Lib?
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@MisterBoring You get to entirely rewrite a mechanic to the benefit of one of your PCs.
This is a joke.
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