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    Selira @Arkandel
    last edited by 17 Aug 2022, 18:47

    @Arkandel And many of those changes were in the second half of the season. In the first half we see Lucienne, Paul, Garry, Kate, Nada, Rosemary, Mazikeen, Rachel, Agilieth, Cain, Abel, Ruthven, Kevin and Ric the Vic (as well as a very brief appearance by Rose) as POC characters. There’s a pretty strong pattern of these characters being subservient to white characters, victims, or villains. Death doesn’t appear until the second half, nor do the Walker/Kincaid family in any kind of prominent role.

    Just because a show was clearly trying – and to be clear, I think Sandman most certainly was! – doesn’t mean it’s above critique where it stumbled. I’m not saying it ruined the show – I loved the show! – there were just some things that had me a bit 😬

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      GF @Selira
      last edited by 17 Aug 2022, 19:00

      @Selira I refer to anyone who does not have chronic back and knee pain as a child.

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        Arkandel @GF
        last edited by 18 Aug 2022, 12:57

        There’s a bit of a (justified) uproar online about the fact Netflix hasn’t approved Sandman for a second season yet.

        I mean, I get it, it’s an expensive production. It’s also probably the best thing they’ve put out in years. And they do have a reputation for killing fan-loved shows only to replace them with utter junk.

        I’m already debating whether maintaining a Netflix subscription is worth it as it is.

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          shit-piss-love @Arkandel
          last edited by 18 Aug 2022, 13:18

          @Arkandel

          There’s actually a grim reason why Netflix cancels so many shows in after the first, or more often second, season. Apparently it’s very long standing convention in the tv industry to pay actors and staff ~70% of their normal expectation during the first few seasons of a show before it “takes off”. Netflix has taken advantage of this to float a metric ton of shows for cheap and then drop them.

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            Arkandel @shit-piss-love
            last edited by 18 Aug 2022, 13:22

            @shit-piss-love Well, that’s valid from Netflix’s point of view! And from mine, I can always use that extra $20/month while I sail the seven seas for the occasional production they haven’t cancelled yet. 🙂

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              BloodAngel
              last edited by 19 Aug 2022, 10:49

              NEW EP JUST DROPPED!

              Dream of cats and Callipoe!

              On my birthday! Life is good!

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                GF @BloodAngel
                last edited by 19 Aug 2022, 13:14

                I guess it’s good I’ve been dragging my feet on wrapping up my thoughts on the series, then.

                @BloodAngel Happy birthday.

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                  crawfish @BloodAngel
                  last edited by 19 Aug 2022, 13:27

                  @BloodAngel omg omg omg omg happy and happy I didn’t know they were going to release more!!!

                  I draw things! http://www.mahaldoodles.com

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                    Nynrose @crawfish
                    last edited by Nynrose 19 Aug 2022, 14:17

                    Was going to post a link, but then figured it might contain spoilers. It was one Neil Gaiman had posted on his FB page.

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                      GF
                      last edited by GF 19 Aug 2022, 14:19

                      Well. If they had to depict the SA scene, I’m glad they did it with a camera zoom onto a word processor screen and an ugly musical sting.

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                        BloodAngel @GF
                        last edited by 19 Aug 2022, 14:44

                        @GF Thank you!

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                          Aria
                          last edited by 20 Aug 2022, 01:33

                          I just watched the new episode.

                          And I also made the mistake of reading two articles about the new episode after the fact, one written by a man, one written by a woman.

                          The episode was lovely. The articles… have me expecting that any conversation about Calliope’s story is going to be dominated by a very specific subset of male comic nerds who are too fucking stupid to even understand what happened, let alone be entitled to write paid think-pieces about it in popular media.

                          sigh

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                            GF @Aria
                            last edited by 20 Aug 2022, 01:47

                            @Aria Well now you gotta share the link. I am in the mood to see if I will laugh or get angry.

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                              Aria @GF
                              last edited by 20 Aug 2022, 02:18

                              @GF Have you read the comics? Because it’s VERY spoilery if not.

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                                GF @Aria
                                last edited by 20 Aug 2022, 02:21

                                @Aria I have. I’m very familiar with the story.

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                                  Aria @GF
                                  last edited by 20 Aug 2022, 02:32

                                  @GF Well in that case, here we go.

                                  The article bothers me because it’s so completely reductive about Calliope’s story, glossing over it almost entirely save to explain how it affects the men involved and Dream in particular. I find the last few paragraphs especially egregious because the author literally argues that before Morpheus had a Big Big Sad (which is tragic and horrific, but not the focus of this episode or what’s going on with Calliope), his real problem is that he cares too much and is just a sensitive soul who has always felt things too deeply.

                                  Because, y’know, what he did to Nada at pretty much the dawn of humanity was just a real tragedy for him, I guess? And not, y’know, that he’s been a bit of a melodramatic, self-obsessed knob who is terrible at relationships since basically the dawn of time, to the point that even his sister is all “Dream, love. Petal. Pumpkin. My dearest bro-bro. Pull your head out of your ass for, like, five minutes.”

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                                    GF @Aria
                                    last edited by 20 Aug 2022, 02:42

                                    @Aria I was first struck by how it’s just kind of badly written. I’m sure he thinks lines like “After bonding over their mutual bondage” are clever, but they just come off as clunky. I don’t even know what he means about writing in blood saving on the electric bill.

                                    But yeah, his assessment of Morpheus is pretty shallow and idealized. He does not seem to understand that Morpheus has a lot of toxic masculinity he needs to deal with, especially in the story about sex slavery of a goddess where those traits are thematically resonant. I don’t expect a random dude writing wiki-style summaries of comic book plots to have a solid foundation in feminist theory, but this guy does need to improve his media literacy.

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                                      Aria @GF
                                      last edited by 20 Aug 2022, 02:48

                                      @GF I am profoundly disturbed that the man claims to specialize in LGBTQIA+ media. I saw that and I reflexively said, “…Please don’t.” Like, out loud.

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                                        Arkandel @Aria
                                        last edited by 21 Aug 2022, 11:49

                                        The way I always read it is that the true tragedy of the story is Morpheus wants to be better. He can be better. He has it in him; there are moments where he is genuinely… well, human.

                                        But he’s also such an asshole. Too proud, too stubborn, too stuck in his ways. He’s good enough to make people care for him and then he fucks them over when they do - sometimes because they do.

                                        He knows this. He wants to change. He can’t.

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                                          GF @Arkandel
                                          last edited by 21 Aug 2022, 13:00

                                          @Arkandel I wonder how the show will go, given that the comic is about him being unable to change and the show keeps talking about how much he already has changed.

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