What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?
-
@Colette said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
It’s always great fun when you pivot wildly Vorpal-wards. Wasn’t it you who once dubbed him “Furry Satan made MU*nifest”?
No, I called him a misogynistic Randian creep because he attacked multiple friends of mine (including one for having the temerity to complain about her insurance after breaking her leg, thus failing to appreciate the sublime perfection of the free market) and lied about a bunch of shit on UH to protect its rep when he was staff there, like when he said the person who went on a protracted homophobic rant wasn’t staff. (He was, of course. And wasn’t he later banned from HAM for going on a protracted racist rant?) ETA: Oh, and of course the time he tried to Power Word me over DMs on MSB, used the wrong name, and then tried to claim autocorrect changed Illyana to “Amanda” when my immediate response was to post a screenshot of him doing so.
My departure from HAM was me leaving because they didn’t do anything about Chaucer’s behavior, then a year later going back to dislodge Raven for like ten hours because I knew they’d kick me off. Like, I literally posted all of it as it happened. Here. (Okay, and going back when Chaucer stormed off to say, “I told you so.”)
You’re welcome to spread any of the lies you’d care to. Bored’d already tried to trot out some of the preferred ones, like all the shit I apparently did on characters I wasn’t playing when they happened, or just on games I wasn’t even on.
For a problem player of such historic proportions, I’ve always found it amusing that I’ve literally never had or caused any problems except on UH and its metastases.
-
@Prototart
Didn’t he rather publicly quit staffing on UH over the behavior of some of the other staff? That doesn’t seem like the best way to protect its rep. Before my time though.Calling him Randian is vaguely amusing, but not as good as Furry Satan made MU*nifest. Also far less accurate.
So, you say that you chose to leave HAM, and then you came back specifically to provoke staff into kicking you off the game, and yet the reason you became “persona non grata” is because you lost Chaucer’s “patronage”? Okay.
Sorry to disappoint but I have no idea what your “preferred lies” are or about any characters you may or may not have played on other games, so I couldn’t spread any of those even if I wanted to. I’m not even sure who you played on HAM other than that ten hours of Raven you mention. I know people who’ve said good things about you in the past, so for all I know you were model player everywhere else – but I did read that exchange on HAM.
-
@Colette said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
I did read that exchange on HAM.
I call him a misogynistic Randian creep because he’s a misogynistic Randian creep: he has been aggressively misogynistic to multiple friends, he had attacked people over their political views, and is, in general, creepy. If you’re claiming he isn’t a misogynist, or isn’t a Randian, then either you’re lying, you don’t know him well at all, or like Saul on the road to Damascus he has seen the revelation and changed every aspect of his personality because he’s been all of those things at least since I was a kid and he was Wonder Boy.
But more importantly: What exchange? My complaint about Chaucer’s behavior? Because that’s one of a grand total of four conversations I ever had with Shakespeare.
You can’t mean when I was Illyana on UH and she was Kitty the day I was banned for outing Ditko and Claremont as predators, so that’s a quarter of our options gone right there.
Do you mean when she got mad at me for calling somebody an incel after he went on a rant about bitches in the OOC room? That’s one of our “exchanges.”
Yes, I went there knowing I’d be kicked off. Someone asked me about playing there again. I said, “The only reason I was ever allowed there was Chaucer. They’ll kick me off within twelve hours.” They said, “oh come on.” I said, “Bet,” noticed Raven - who was very close with Chaucer - was over a month idle, requested the character as a guest, got it, and then went to sleep.
I woke up to a page about how my parting from HAM the last time I was there seemed mutual, and that it was best to keep it that way. Was it that “exchange?” Because that’s when I was “banned.”
Was it the time I went there after Chaucer had stormed off, to say “I told you so?” Admittedly petty, but I can’t imagine there was a staff job about that one.
Let’s have some clarity about which “exchange” you’re talking about.
-
In my personal experience, while I have never interacted with Chaucer or Vorpal, I’ve heard enough about them from people I trust that I steer clear of Superhero MUs because of their behavior specifically.
-
@Colette said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
Didn’t he rather publicly quit staffing on UH over the behavior of some of the other staff? That doesn’t seem like the best way to protect its rep. Before my time though.
Hey, if you weren’t there to see it/read it, maybe don’t trot it out as evidence of anything?
I was there. I know the deep lore. The game was already kind of going down in flames when he did it, only after being like, ‘i can change him, guys, everything else about him is good except the abuse’ at us.
Instead, maybe drop the spicy gossip you do got that you alluded too. Or stop alluding to spicy gossip you’re not willing to drop; it makes you less credible when you vague post something without following up.
-
@Meg said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
I was there. I know the deep lore.
It’s giving
-
@Meg said in [What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?](/post/
I was there. I know the deep lore. The game was already kind of going down in flames when he did it, only after being like, ‘i can change him, guys, everything else about him is good except the abuse’ at us.
When everything caught fire the first time, he claimed to be “investigating” after he got called out for lying to cover for other staffers. It wasn’t until months later that he quit - oddly, without announcing anything his detective skills had uncovered or apologizing for any of the lies he had told.
Instead, maybe drop the spicy gossip you do got that you alluded too. Or stop alluding to spicy gossip you’re not willing to drop; it makes you less credible when you vague post something without following up.
Seriously. The only “exchange” I ever had, I posted here.
-
I didn’t know Vorpal before I knew him, so I can’t speak to any possible Damascene conversions. I suspect that it’s you who doesn’t know him well at all, but then he can be impressively abrasive at times so that’s going to happen.
Your complaint about Chaucer, yes. I have no idea why you’re bringing up something about UH, it’s HAM we’re discussing. I wasn’t staff on UH. You may recall that you bringing up old grievances on previous games was part of the discussion?
So, you picked Raven to app specifically because you thought her player was “very close to Chaucer” and wanted to provoke a response? Yet you actually got the character at first, which rather undermines your interpretation of events here. The character was on idle and open to be claimed, regardless of how close Chaucer was to the player (not as close as you think, I’m seeing a theme). That happened, the system worked. I’d say someone with a previously acrimonious relationship with staff returning to take a character with the specific intent of provoking staff being asked to leave is also the system working.
-
@Colette said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
I didn’t know Vorpal before I knew him, so I can’t speak to any possible Damascene conversions. I suspect that it’s you who doesn’t know him well at all, but then he can be impressively abrasive at times so that’s going to happen.
I’ve known of him since I was 13. I am now in my 30s. He has been a massive piece of shit for that entire time.
My complaint about Chaucer’s behavior was on HAM. Try to keep up.
Where’s this exchange you kept referencing?
-
@Meg
Do you see the little curly thing with a dot underneath it at the end of my first sentence? That’s a question mark. It indicates questioning, not providing, evidence. I do know that he basically set fire to the place twice because of the behavior of staff there. I can’t speak of any mistakes he might have made before that, because again, before my time and therefore I don’t really care.maybe drop the spicy gossip
No. Private communications between players and staff should remain private. Shocking concept around these parts, I know. Don’t be too disappointed though, there’s nothing particularly spicy. Just the normal boring interwebs he said / she said. I have no desire to rake Prototart who I have zero beef with over the coals, just reminding people that there are two sides to every story, and Prototart’s interpretation of events differs significantly from that of the other people who actually witnessed it. That’s all.
One random person on the internet to another random person on the internet – you’re entirely welcome to believe whatever you wish.
-
Well gosh, given that the only player involved would have been me, I can go right ahead and waive any expectation of privacy involving communication I had with staff on HAM, since I have posted all of it here.
-
I’ve known of him since I was 13. I am now in my 30s. He has been a massive piece of shit for that entire time.
That’s certainly longer than me. You two have been at loggerheads as long as I’ve known him, so perhaps there was a damascene conversion and you just missed it because you already hated him? I don’t know. I’m only going to judge someone on what’s in front of me, not on gossip about how they used to be a decade ago. The Vorpal I know is lots of things, including Furry Satan made MU*nifest, but not the person you’re describing.
My complaint about Chaucer’s behavior was on HAM. Try to keep up.
Yes, that’s why I was puzzled about you bringing up UH. The whole Miss Sinister thing was on HAM. Which was the subject of our conversation.
Well gosh, given that the only player involved would have been me, I can go right ahead and waive any expectation of privacy involving communication I had with staff on HAM, since I have posted all of it here.
I respect the privacy of the other staff as well as your privacy. If you’ve already posted it yourself, then no problem right? It’s already out there.
-
-
@SockMonkey Sorry, but this is going to be a really dull spectator sport. xD
-
-
So, to summarize:
“I think you’re leaving out a few details.”
“I posted everything when it happened.”
“I’ve seen that exchange.”
“Anyone can see it. I posted it.”“You should post it.”
“I would never violate someone’s privacy.”“Well, it’s me, so violate away. Also, I posted it all.”
“I respect the privacy of staff, too! Also, yes, it’s what you posted years ago.”Enthralling.
-
@Colette said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
No. Private communications between players and staff should remain private.
Then don’t fucking vague post, my dude. If it should remain private, why are you bringing it up here? Like, get a life. Go post on Facebook about your neighbor.
-
@Colette said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
@SockMonkey Sorry, but this is going to be a really dull spectator sport. xD
As a spectator with 0 context, I’m having loads of fun here fyi
-
@Colette said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
Shocking concept around these parts, I know.
why are these parts catching strays??
-
Enthralling
I literally warned sockmonkey just above it wouldn’t be!
In a similar spirit, let’s summarize that whole Miss Sinister thing then:
“I’d like to app this character.”
“Interesting! Powerful character, would need a nice villain plot arc really. Would take a lot of work and nerfing to make this an RP character.”
“It’s just for an RP character but I shouldn’t have to nerf them because of characters x, y and z who got allowed before.”
“Right, in that case no. An app like this is a lot of work for staff, you’re far from being a regular player who has a history of generating RP for other people to justify that work.”You made totally valid points about inconsistency in previous apps, it was a major problem HAM had. Prior mistakes are not a good source of precedent for future decisions though.
Apart from that though? Chaucer was perhaps a little brusque. It’s really not a compelling grounds for complaint against a staffer, though. Nor is “but prior history, please police things that happened in the past on some other game.” I honestly think if you re-read that exchange with an eye to impartiality you’ll agree in retrospect it just wasn’t a big deal.
Didn’t you and Chaucer used to be friends? This is a tiny hobby, and it seems a shame when two generally perfectly reasonable people end up fighting over miscommunications, or someone having a bad day and saying something ill-advised (we ALL do it sometimes), or whatever. I have no idea what your past issues have been, but we’re not talking about a Ditko or whoever here, after all – and it behoves us all to remember we never have the full picture. Wouldn’t it be better if you two buried the hatchet?
