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Or err on the side of not posting rather than posting if they feel their engagement would be chilling/misconstrued.
Alas, this is where I fundamentally disagree. I am a member of this community first, an arbiter or whatever second. I plan to engage with this community as I always have, and rely on the rest of the admin/mod team to make judgement calls of situations I’m directly involved in.
That said, us (that is to say the admin/mods) acting like a dick just to act like a dick won’t be tolerated. Making admin/mod calls on debates/arguments/whatever that we’re actively participating in won’t be tolerated.
He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
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Alas, this is where I fundamentally disagree. I am a member of this community first, an arbiter or whatever second. I plan to engage with this community as I always have, and rely on the rest of the admin/mod team to make judgement calls of situations I’m directly involved in.
That said, us (that is to say the admin/mods) acting like a dick just to act like a dick won’t be tolerated. Making admin/mod calls on debates/arguments/whatever that we’re actively participating in won’t be tolerated.
I just wanna back Pavel up here. We’ve been talking about all of this feedback and thinking about the community you guys are asking for. Right now we are leaning toward NO MOD VOICE and NO MOD ACCOUNT and just–
Being people.
Who act like normal people and use their serious voices when they need to use their serious voices.
One of the things we’ve talked about a lot – haha, just kidding; I’m the community lurker. One of the things OTHER PEOPLE have talked about in threads is that staff on games are people too. And mods on boards are people too. I wouldn’t expect someone to not get engaged in VIGOROUS DEBATE just because they are a mod.
I do, absolutely, expect that someone doesn’t switch hats mid-debate, though. Like Pavel says: don’t make admin calls where you are already involved. That’s bad behavior and has no place here.
WE WILL FORMALIZE SOMETHING, that said, and are still listening to feedback. PLEASE LOOK FORWARD TO OUR F.U.C.K.E.R. or P.E.N.I.S. or whatever questionable acronym we decide on.
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@Pavel Sorry I should have been clearer - not engaging if you can’t make yourself (or the border between yourself and the admin role) clear. If you say something and it looks like ‘mod voice’, you don’t want it to be and can’t think how to reword it, I think I’d still stick with not posting it.
It is, as many of the things in this thread, an edge case.
When someone shows you who they are, over and over again? Believe them.
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@Pavel Sorry I should have been clearer - not engaging if you can’t make yourself (or the border between yourself and the admin role) clear. If you say something and it looks like ‘mod voice’, you don’t want it to be and can’t think how to reword it, I think I’d still stick with not posting it.
It is, as many of the things in this thread, an edge case.
Oh, for sure. This is why I advocate on the side of outright stating “this bit of text is actually an admin speaking as an admin.” If I add
ADMIN: Okay, knock it off.
It’s pretty unambiguous that I’m speaking “officially.”
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@Pavel That is my preference, because it lacks ambiguity. And it looks lame and sure, but. Yeah. Anyway, I trust admin to make these choices and be responsible, and consider what the community has spoken about.
And when I don’t trust the admin, I’ll swear very Britishly.
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@Pavel I don’t believe your previous engagement with the community involved misplaced jokes about active moderation on your part. That didn’t become a thing until you actually had mod powers. Which means you are aware of the difference in your position.
Ignoring that is to suggest your ability to say whatever you want is more important than maintaining any sort of awareness of authority implicitly held.
You seem to have reined in some of that, but for someone so quick to have employed moderation tools in the beginning days, I think you might benefit the most from reconsidering your position on how you speak and act as a mod, and not just when employing your “mod” voice.
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ONCE UPON A TIME, when I staffed an X-Men game, I really hated when people would use their staff bits to talk on channel. I liked to think that if people just used their character bits, then people wouldn’t think that someone was posting with Extra Authority behind what they said.
I realize that was naive, and probably the same impulse that made me lean toward having a separate account for admin calls.
We will always have the little tags next to our name that say [Administrator]. People will always see that when we talk. It is impossible to get away from that. There will always be a weight of ‘This is a Mod’ even without the weight of their being ‘MOD: This is my Mod Voice’.
IDK. MOD VOICE or no mod voice, it’s still a mod’s voice.
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@Tez I think those are two slightly different (but not unconnected) things, and one can mitigate one by being clear about the other. Thankfully I don’t need to handle it, I can just opine on what comes like a a sunbathing otter with opinions and a top hat.
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@Pavel I don’t believe your previous engagement with the community involved misplaced jokes about active moderation on your part. That didn’t become a thing until you actually had mod powers. Which means you are aware of the difference in your position.
Ignoring that is to suggest your ability to say whatever you want is more important than maintaining any sort of awareness of authority implicitly held.
You seem to have reined in some of that, but for someone so quick to have employed moderation tools in the beginning days, I think you might benefit the most from reconsidering your position on how you speak and act as a mod, and not just when employing your “mod” voice.
In honesty, the active moderation I did that was misguided was due to my misunderstanding exactly what was wanted of me. I earnestly believed that I was doing the correct thing in that instance - assuming you’re speaking of the locking of the Bannings thread.
However, if it’s the view of the group that I need to reign in how I speak, then I will elect to step down instead.
He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
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@Pavel To be clear, I don’t think you were abusing your mod powers, but rather making the point that you are a mod and not solely a community member. I absolutely believe a mod needs to moderate their voice out of recognition of that simple truth. Moderate, not silence. I also respect that you would make the choice to step down if those were your only options.
They’re probably not your only options, but I still encourage you to think about how you engage when you are, in fact, still a mod.
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I do not argue for an excess of clarity on mod voice vs not mod voice (I’m not married to the separate account bit! I just think staff bit vs player bit) because I think the mods themselves are incapable of making it clear. I have faith! Y’all are fine.
My concern is because our hobby is full of people who are bad at nuance and interpreting things and have lots of history of shall we say not assuming positive intent.
FULL OF US. Clarity just reduces the potential for misunderstanding and reducing that potential with our lovely group is the best thing we can do.
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I personally just want to go back to a world where I never really thought about who was mod. Mu privilege.
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