hobos Temporary Ban Discussion Thread

[Pavel]

Strictly speaking, the decision simply says “in this thread.” It’s not a total blanket ban on screenshots or links in other conversations. Right now we’re not at all saying that you can’t ever anywhere post links or relevant information period.

[Tez]

If you guys think that is being broadly interpreted as a blanket ban on referencing MSB, we might wanna clarify in its own post rather than losing it in this thread.

[farfalla]

@Tez I just went back and re-read it, and it does say “in this thread” or on related topics, but I for sure read it as a blanket ban. I might just have poor reading comprehension though.

[Tez]

@farfalla I think it’s more likely that people are primed to be a bit raw about that stuff right now than that you have poor reading comprehension.

[Pavel]

The main thing I want to avoid, and this is again speaking only for myself, is creating a “this is the bash MSB and everyone that still posts there” thread. I don’t care what MSB has to say about it, and I earnestly don’t want to stifle healthy debate and discussion, but right now it’s just poking at the open wound and not letting it scab over.

Again, just my view and my reasons for supporting the decision.

ETA: I’m sorry that this sounds incredibly paternalistic to the point of being condescending. You’re all adults and you can make your own decisions about what you think, how you express your feelings, and what you engage with.

[farfalla]

It could be worth adding a line to the policies that includes something about adding temporary restrictions or increased moderation - that are open to user feedback - around particularly heated subjects. Or something like that, which says ‘hey yeah sometimes we might as for things to pause’ so that it’s in there as a policy that can be 1) known and 2) pointed to.

[Pavel]

@farfalla We’re definitely going to aim for something more substantial than current guidelines, without being overly detailed and restrictive. So, more than making up rules as we go but not so byzantine that we’re stymied by “technically not against the rules so it has to stay” arguments.

[farfalla]

@Pavel Okay. I just want to make sure we don’t end up repeating “I just made up this rule” “what? that’s not a rule” “straight to jail.”

[IoleRae]

I think a temporary ban on links/screenshots to there for the purposes of discussing the “split” is fine, and a blanket ban FOREVER on any sort of thread activity that is coordination of trolling somewhere else- - be that MSB, reddit, or any game. That is a thing that folks used to do that should be off limits from the start here (or any community forum).

[Tez]

@Pavel said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:

ETA: I’m sorry that this sounds incredibly paternalistic to the point of being condescending. You’re all adults and you can make your own decisions about what you think, how you express your feelings, and what you engage with.

I’m especially upvoting your ETA.

[IoleRae]

@Pavel said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:

The main thing I want to avoid, and this is again speaking only for myself, is creating a “this is the bash MSB and everyone that still posts there” thread. I don’t care what MSB has to say about it, and I earnestly don’t want to stifle healthy debate and discussion, but right now it’s just poking at the open wound and not letting it scab over.

Again, just my view and my reasons for supporting the decision.

ETA: I’m sorry that this sounds incredibly paternalistic to the point of being condescending. You’re all adults and you can make your own decisions about what you think, how you express your feelings, and what you engage with.

[Pavel]

@farfalla said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:

@Pavel Okay. I just want to make sure we don’t end up repeating “I just made up this rule” “what? that’s not a rule” “straight to jail.”

Definitely, it’s something we’re all exceptionally keen to avoid. But we also want to retain the… authority, I guess, to draw a line under things when it becomes unhealthy.

We all know of at least one discussion on WORA or MSB or wherever that just dragged on to the point of being a headache that could’ve easily been solved had someone said “okay, back to your corners fighters, new round in ten.”

[farfalla]

@Pavel I don’t disagree! I’m just advocating for that to be codified.

[Pavel]

@farfalla Absolutely. With very strict “if you’re involved, you don’t get a say” admin recusal baked right in.

[KarmaBum]

Just 'cause I’m not completely clear: is this the one thread for all future admin actions discussions? Or is it limited to the “hobos got banned” situation?

Because I would like to put this thread on ignore. I’m really not interested in more screenshots from Derp’s forum or rehashing the situation; I just want distance from it. Y’all can keep talking about it, no judgment. I’d just rather not. For me.

But if this is going to be used for all future updates, it’d be awkward to have it on ignore.

[Pavel]

@KarmaBum said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:

is this the one thread for all future admin actions discussions?

That was my intention, but I don’t see a reason not to split out each decision to its own discussion thread.

[Tez]

@KarmaBum I’m in favor of a thread per situation for this reason and the reason that it would be easier to track / search. So let’s call this the Hobos & Bannings Thread … Thread.

[IoleRae]

How about, “If you want to discuss admin action and there’s not a thread for it already, make a thread about the action as appropriate in the feedback section under X and Y parameters” as direction to your userbase? It’s not containing it as much (to the thread) but having a specific area set aside is…close? And I think it might actually end up as less work (if you don’t make a thread for an action that people don’t care enough to make a thread about, then…it doesn’t happen, right? but if YOU make the thread, people gonna people).

[KarmaBum]

Gracias, @Tez & @Pavel.

[Pavel]

@IoleRae I prefer to make the thread personally. To give the air, at least, of “no, seriously, discuss it please.”