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@Apos said in Comic Games Are Still Fun!:
@renaveleigh said in Comic Games Are Still Fun!:
These are not serious people. These are not particularly GOOD people. These are not people who are equipped to acknowledge the contributions of anyone outside of their orthodoxy of mediocrity
okay okay but we’re talking about running a MU right, the bar is so low most people trip over it but I think any game runner would die of cringe if someone described them as a serious person because they ran an online roleplaying game well
Shit’s relative. ‘Serious’ for this dumb dying hobby is ‘does not perpetuate the abuse of people who choose to spend their time playing on an online roleplaying game’ and ‘will probably not behave like a raging asshole if disagreed with in any way’.
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that it’s pathetically easy to do makes it all the more remarkable three generations of game have seen the bar on the floor and announced, “i know! we’ll dig our way under it!”
@Redbird said in Comic Games Are Still Fun!:
I never actually got through the app process on HAM because I was told by one staffer that my concept seemed great and they were looking forward to it and then I was told via back-channels that Shakespeare on the other hand had pre-veto’d it so continuing to work on it would be wasted effort.
the very first char I made there was in app limbo for over a month - like zero word back at all - bc shakespeare just didn’t like the char, something i learned about only when i asked someone why it had been literally a month since i heard anything about my app
and then chaucer approved me over her head bc he liked me then, as i had not got all uppity
(the LAST char i made, he gave a glowing approval for as a concept pitch & then rejected outright and told me i was trash when i very lightly pushed back on something he said during review)
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@Apos I’m sorry but I can’t resist:
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@Prototart said in Comic Games Are Still Fun!:
(the LAST char i made, he gave a glowing approval for as a concept pitch & then rejected outright and told me i was trash when i very lightly pushed back on something he said during review)
Damn, is he my thesis advisor lmao
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<Xaviers-OOC> Teacher Rogue says, “It’s a place where people go to vent, and make up a lot of stuff, and present it like it’s fact to support their vitriol. Very very bad place.”
<Xaviers-OOC> Dr. Headmistress Jean Grey says, “Also I think it closed didn’t it?”
<Xaviers-OOC> Teacher Scott Summers says, “It’s still open. I’m looking at it right now.”
<Xaviers-OOC> Teacher Rogue says, “there are other ones just like it.”
<Xaviers-OOC> Teacher Scott Summers says, “And I am filled with self-loathing and anger.”
<Xaviers-OOC> Resident Doug Ramsey says, “I didn’t know it was still up. I haven’t logged in there in years.”
<Xaviers-OOC> Teacher Rogue says, “No one should. You’ll never find any truth on a place like that.”Hi Ruby! Ruby/Rogue doesn’t like any version of this site because she repeatedly humiliated herself posting totally deranged things to defend Claremont and Ditko, then got outed as an inveterate liar who carried water for not one but two incredibly repulsive sexual predators. One of the people she defended later harassed her, leading to HAM’s founding. (It was fine when other people were victims, but a member of the in-group was too far.) (The harassment, for the record, was her deciding she wasn’t going to TS with Claremont anymore and Claremont rescinding everything he’d let her do because he was TSing with her. The most egregious example being, he took a jet pack off of Lara Croft’s sheet. This was, I’m not joking, the last straw.)
I don’t know who Scott was on UH, but on HAM he’s a former staffer who’s an insane bore, tantrums at the mildest pushback, refuses to interact with anyone playing a villain, whines non-stop about people not wanting to do things with him (I wonder why), and is why the Fantastic Four are all pushing 70 but have absolutely no canon attached to them (because he wanted Reed Richards to have been Batman’s math tutor.)
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All the UH stuff remains documented in the old MSB thread, by the way.
Or feel free to just look at all of Rogue’s increasingly whacked posts,
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@Prototart said in Comic Games Are Still Fun!:
he wanted Reed Richards to have been Batman’s math tutor
The thing I like about shared universes is that characters who don’t normally get to interact ostensibly can now.
But, like…
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Somehow I missed that this thread exists (I probably have my notifications, flags and groups etc set wrong). So I thought all this drama had gone under the radar and just assumed no one here played comic places anymore. But no! Drama ensues. Here’s a few other bits from the still-unfolding trainwreck, some deleted posts and other ephemera preceding the Chaucer post.
They’re not really about Chaucer, although they kind of link in to the ongoing underlying dramas of the game, which alternately involve Shakespeare’s ‘faction’ of do-nothing TS cliques for whom bad behavior is overlooked and activity policies ignored, and Chaucer’s group of more pro-active… well, also sex-pests, but with grander scale bad ethics (ie making his own character the chosen of literal monotheistic God) and a tendency to aggressively force his views, opinions, and plot ideas on people. Also, the complaining players themselves kind of seem like assholes. This dumpster fire goes far and wide.
mmmmmmmmmmmm<* Heroes Assemble BBS - 2: Public Discussion - 523 *>mmmmmmmmmmmm Message: 2/523 Posted Author Ahem Feb 14 2024 Wade Wilson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dear Shakespeare. I could have precluded so much of my trouble on your game if I had just agreed to sleep with you repeatedly. Like an online Harvey Weinstein you are this horrible little predator behind your monitor, providing your benefits to the people you enjoy snogging. You are surrounded with two flavors of people. Empty utterly gutless useless pieces of human detritus who are looking to stab you in the back the first chance they get. And ones you have humped. Sometimes these spheres overlap. I know my behaviour is so horrid. I laugh at you and yours while you sit with your legs up and your blood clotting, your tremendous weight straining under your reinforced office chair as you tap on your keyboard, hypocritically screeching your idiotic social values while working for a fucking oil company. I had the gall to question your horrible decisions with staff, while your idiotic half-man Chaucer repeatedly plots to steal from you, and screeching about how someone is punching down on them while they routinely abuse their position as a staffer to pursue their lovely little bouts of harassment. So cute they imagine if anyone disagrees with them that it's punching down. Probably has to do with their dead end in life at the moment. I have had most of my trouble on your game... because of getting angry about your corrupt staff. Sapkowski/Waid, lovely chap, loses his mind on me in a public channel. My fault for daring to disagree with your horrible global plot with the dumb ass angels. That guy was lovely. A piece of work. Ask him if he's talked to Silvestri lately? I have! What a waste of oxygen. Who was the chucklehead that went on his huge political rant on the pub channel? Yeah, then it came to light he was using his position to actually try and get people to harass that one gal who was running SHIELD off the game? Teaching them how to do it with as little accountability as possible. Yah you've had some swell staffers. I've had a lot of trouble with staff. On Here. Elsegame. But the awesome thing about this though, over time it's always come to light how utterly horrible those people have been. You are no different. Go to hell, you sad little fuck. Bye. :) mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm< End +bbread 2/523 >mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmm<* Heroes Assemble BBS - 1: Announcements - 168 *>mmmmmmmmmmmmmm Message: 1/168 Posted Author Thor's Player Banned Feb 14 2024 Stoker ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thor's player, who also wrote Alexander Aaron, Piotr, and Deadpool, has been permanently banned from the game after sending Staff and other players an extremely inappropriate page/email laden with misogynistic commentary and foul personal insults. This follows a long history of similar comments and insults he has aimed at staff; this time, he broke the pall by launching this tirade after he was denied permission to run a +event with inappropriate ties to RL political issues. We apologize for the disruption to your gameplay. Please Keep Calm, and Carry On. - Staff mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm< End +bbread 1/168 >mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmContext: I don’t have the +event text on hand, but it was something along the lines of ‘Fighting ANTIFOH.’ The scene never got run, although it’s notable some of the tagged players were staff-alts themselves. I think it was aimed at the idea that both Shakespeare and Chaucer like to use language of activism/inclusivity in their communications while not upholding these beliefs in practice (ie, years of enabling sex-pests on UH & HAM alike).
<Public> Tim Drake says, "Phoebe Beacon represents everything that is wrong with MUSHing today. She is a narcissistic, gaslighting, professional victim who sucks energy from others. She, along with her OOC RL friend Doyle/Xander Prescott/ex-Tim Drake have systematically shut me out of RP here by doing things like accuse me of racism and restricting the number of people who can join a scene specifically targeted to Bat Family, all the while allowing people not tagged to come and play. And all of this is has been done to either get me banned from the character or frustrated enough to quit so Doyle can have Tim Drake back.%r%rCongrats, you succeeded, Phoebe. You can continue to be a big fish in a small pond and I'll go spend my time doing something somewhere else with positive people who build up others, not nasty, temperamental, small-minded people with personality disorders.%r%rThe funny thing is, if you had come to me and asked nicely and explained the situation, I would have gladly given the character up and chosen someone else.%r%rTake care. I hope you find some sort of peace and balance."Context: I have no idea, other than the fact that Doyle did take Tim Drake immediately after this player was banned, and that Phoebe was connected to the ‘angel plot’ where Chaucer got to play the chosen of actual real God. She also quit not long after all of this stuff.
Finally, in the last week there have been a couple posts where prominent/long-running plots were abruptly canceled by their players. Seems like a likely next wave of drama.
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@bored said in Comic Games Are Still Fun!:
assumed no one here played comic places anymore
There’s still some Ares-based comic games, but they tend not to be so explosive with drama I guess. Anyway, my experience with HAM was from 2020 and both Chaucer and Shakespeare can fuck right off imo. They let some obscenely toxic behavior go along for way too long all because they were afraid of hurting “their numbers”.
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The current Xavier’s drama is hysterical, but I’m not on the channel, so I don’t have receipts. I know others do, because I’ve seen them.
Funniest shit.
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@Popes said in Comic Games Are Still Fun!:
The current Xavier’s drama is hysterical, but I’m not on the channel, so I don’t have receipts. I know others do, because I’ve seen them.
Funniest shit.
fr, Rogue/Ruby having the audacity to pretend to be the adult in any room is seriously just the most deranged shit in the world I stg
I know for a fact people have involved Shakespeare in her shit but shocker nothing happens bc the game was literally made for her she is protected from on high and is subject to literally no rules at all
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@Prototart said in Comic Games Are Still Fun!:
@Popes said in Comic Games Are Still Fun!:
The current Xavier’s drama is hysterical, but I’m not on the channel, so I don’t have receipts. I know others do, because I’ve seen them.
Funniest shit.
fr, Rogue/Ruby having the audacity to pretend to be the adult in any room is seriously just the most deranged shit in the world I stg
I know for a fact people have involved Shakespeare in her shit but shocker nothing happens bc the game was literally made for her she is protected from on high and is subject to literally no rules at all
There was a much (much (much)) longer post here. After taking time to sit with it and think about it, I just am not comfortable with dedicating a manifesto’s worth of words to one person over this stuff, even if it’s one who I thoroughly dislike and distrust. It feels weird and gross. The highlights:
- The Xavier’s School group has a real fucked up atmosphere, to the point of making people drop characters to avoid it.
- The people in charge of the Xavier’s School group are fine with this, or at least willing to behave as if any and all issues faced by people who have dropped characters due to feeling uncomfortable with said atmosphere are solely the fault of those people.
- I really ought to work on controlling my temper, because I acted like an asshole in reacting to the above two points.
That said:
@Prototart is one hundred percent correct that Rogue/Ruby is an awful excuse for an ‘adult in the room’. She’s the sort of person who thinks it’s fine and normal to throw sexually tinged jokes at virtual strangers, then double down when they show signs of not appreciating it. She’s the kind of person who, from her position of acting as the volunteer organizer/coordinator for a large faction on a MUSH, is perfectly alright with dodging accountability by any means. She’s a habitual liar and gaslighter who is best given a wide berth.
I’ll leave my other related posts up because whatever, I feel less weird/gross about those ones.
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y’all i love drama but can you guys learn to paste stuff in a way that doesn’t scroll to the side?
cuz it’s annoying as shit to read.
thanks!
<.<
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Is there a better option than the code blocks for pasting long sections of text in a way that’ll offset it from the rest of a post? Annoyingly, they wrap just fine in the preview, but not in the actual live post.
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@renaveleigh I usually use > to put it in a quote block. If you type > and a space and then paste your paragraphs, it applies the > to all of them.
Or you could also spoiler a block to offset it.
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Monet on HAM, just for completions sake, is JLee on Shang, a super infamous sexpest who’s got multiple rules in place there just to deal w his behavior. If you know anybody who’s ever made a female comic char on Shang, they’ve been creeped on by him or one of his alts unless they, like, super obviously broadcast that they were staunchly heterosexual or had a dick.
And he’s no different on HAM. He’ll get creepy and page you a thousand times if you don’t respond. But nobody cares, cus he’s super active and all the characters that log on once a month to exchange one line poses w him still count for ~the numbers~.
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@Roz Thank you so much! I went through and fixed all the blocks. Spacing is off, but I will take that a million times over those unscrolling blocks.
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To give some thoughts, beyond simply dumping logs (sorry 4 formatting!)…
The Chaucer/Shakespeare dichotomy was truly a turd/shit sandwich kind of situation, but the status quo now makes the Chaucer half moot. Shakespeare is what we have left, and she’s basically the anti game-admin, easily one of the least motivated staffers I’ve ever seen. She’s disinterested in her own game to the degree I’m surprised she didn’t just randomly hit @shutdown yet. While she does protect her friends, in an odd way it’s almost not even favoritism, because she won’t take action on anyone for anything. Wade screeching horrific personal attacks is the bar is for catching a ban.
I think its all unsalvageable, and not to encourage Chaucer & co’s GOMO, but I’m absolutely in the place where I’m ready for an alternative game. It just doesn’t seem like there’s another large generalist offering. (I’m aware of Excelsior! but its small roster makes it hard to get a character. Not a criticism, just a reality.)
@renaveleigh re: the Xaviers stuff, this is tricky. I think your frustration is valid but that you’re probably misreading things a little, including the idea that Shakespeare is actively protecting Rogue. My understanding is that they’ve long since fallen out. Shakespeare’s only friends are her ever-shrinking personal RP circle.
I clicked over to the MSB log linked up top and reading myself talking to Ruby about UH is mind-numbing. So I appreciate frustration in dealing with her. But Jean & her alts and Nathan & his alts are among the tiny few players left on the whole damn game running actual comic book stuff with any kind of regularity or quality, and they’ve both seem like shockingly sane, adult people in every interaction I’ve had. It’s notable you give him a pass while turning on her, even though you admit he fundamentally agreed with them.
So it comes across as personal vendetta & hate directed at Rogue/Ruby, and anyone else who dares be friends with her. In this, I urge you to reconsider your zeal, because it’s easy to pick a side in these these fights, stake your hill to die on, and end up not looking much better than the other guy (I used to do this a lot). For instance, that log involves 1) people talking politics, which they’re not supposed to, 2) Rogue asking them to stop, and 3) you sniping back at her instead of stopping when asked. To be clear, that means Rogue’s the one following the rules in the Shakespeare post you supposedly agree with, and you’re the one violating it, right? So are you toxic? Or would you agree with Jean/Nathan that maybe people just sometimes get emotional.
Not to come down too harshly, and to tie it back, I’m going to reiterate that this is all Shakespeare’s fault. Shakes is 100% checked out, and has been for much of the game’s existence. Without knowing all the grudges, I can imagine that there are many valid and real things that you are upset about, that Jean is upset about, that Warren is upset about, etc., but that all of them have been left to fester because Shakespeare will never take action on anything, ever. That’s really something you have to internalize, especially when taking her ‘side’ in that argument. Understand, that post is a nothingburger, and it’s her usual MO of shifting blame to the players rather than taking any responsibility for staff action.
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@bored said in Comic Games Are Still Fun!:
@renaveleigh re: the Xaviers stuff, this is tricky. I think your frustration is valid but that you’re probably misreading things a little, including the idea that Shakespeare is actively protecting Rogue.
So, for the record, I don’t have any opinion one way or the other on whether Shakespeare is protecting Rogue. That was Prototart, above me.
My understanding is that they’ve long since fallen out. Shakespeare’s only friends are her ever-shrinking personal RP circle.
I clicked over to the MSB log linked up top and reading myself talking to Ruby about UH is mind-numbing. So I appreciate frustration in dealing with her. But Jean & her alts and Nathan & his alts are among the tiny few players left on the whole damn game running actual comic book stuff with any kind of regularity or quality, and they’ve both seem like shockingly sane, adult people in every interaction I’ve had. It’s notable you give him a pass while turning on her, even though you admit he fundamentally agreed with them.
Thank you for being straight up, first of all. I wanted to try and be as honest as possible about things from my perspective, including the parts that make me look bad, because at this point, I’m old enough to at least attempt to be, like, mildly self-aware about being way less than perfect.
I didn’t really focus on Nathan’s part because - while I don’t agree with his POV on things, and do believe that it plays right into the same theme of ignoring the actual, stated issues as the posts that I chose to focus on - Nathan isn’t a leader of the group, as far as I know. My primary point, and the reason that I give any kind of a shit at all about random people not being able to behave themselves, is that the leaders of the group seeing a post from the admin citing recent complaints about the atmosphere and responding by first ignoring it, then turning around and biting at those who speak up about their concerns is, well. Concerning. I was less interested in interrogating every single dissenting opinion than I was in focusing, specifically, on the screwed up attitudes that seemed liable to conflict with my own broader self-interest of having a functional X-Men/Xavier group to interact with. I don’t care if someone’s got a different opinion from me; that’s fine. It’s not something worth worrying about in and of itself, here.
So it comes across as personal vendetta & hate directed at Rogue/Ruby, and anyone else who dares be friends with her. In this, I urge you to reconsider your zeal, because it’s easy to pick a side in these these fights, stake your hill to die on, and end up not looking much better than the other guy (I used to do this a lot). For instance, that log involves 1) people talking politics, which they’re not supposed to, 2) Rogue asking them to stop, and 3) you sniping back at her instead of stopping when asked. To be clear, that means Rogue’s the one following the rules in the Shakespeare post you supposedly agree with, and you’re the one violating it, right? So are you toxic? Or would you agree with Jean/Nathan that maybe people just sometimes get emotional.
I would definitely agree that - objectively speaking - I should not have sniped at her about Alex Jones; that came from a place of genuine bewilderment at the premise that saying he’s a bad person could be offensive, more than any real malice towards her. Not talking about anything political on the channel is a rule that I’m happy to abide by.
And I would also agree that people do get emotional! I broke the post buffer limit here because I got emotional. I’m not an unbiased actor here in the slightest, and I don’t mind copping to that because beyond whatever lingering distrust I might have had for Rogue/Ruby based on past exposure, I have felt uneasy and uncomfortable in the wake of my own hubris earning me a faceful of gaslighting directly from her. I think that multiple things can be true: it’s true that people can be emotional and act rashly because of it; it’s true that more open communication would be a great way to avoid interpersonal issues, because they’re rarely so serious that they should need more than that to resolve them; it’s true that I do not care for Rogue’s player in the slightest; and it’s true that her approach to managing a large group of people is, to say the least, flawed to the point that it’s worth commenting on.
Not to come down too harshly, and to tie it back, I’m going to reiterate that this is all Shakespeare’s fault. Shakes is 100% checked out, and has been for much of the game’s existence. Without knowing all the grudges, I can imagine that there are many valid and real things that you are upset about, that Jean is upset about, that Warren is upset about, etc., but that all of them have been left to fester because Shakespeare will never take action on anything, ever. That’s really something you have to internalize, especially when taking her ‘side’ in that argument. Understand, that post is a nothingburger, and it’s her usual MO of shifting blame to the players rather than taking any responsibility for staff action.
I think that you’re broadly right that this is a lot of energy expended over something that isn’t worth the trouble, and going forward, I’m not going to sweat this stuff. It’s pointless: at the end of the day, all I really want to do is eat hot chips, be magnetic, charge my phone, and compact Purifiers. I reacted so strongly here, I think, because while I saw the initial incident that spurred that post, I wasn’t around while it was happening; it bothered me then, but I let it go. So once it was clear that nobody was going to address any of the various elephants on the room, I got frustrated and started Posting.
Whatever comes of Xavier’s and the X-Men and such as a whole is super not my problem. I hope things keep working out well for them, and am just gonna do my best to play with the people I do vibe with.
