Bannings
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@Pavel It’s an SNL sketch called “Lingerie Store” and is a wildly accurate and wildly entertaining portrayal of what trying to buy a bra is like when you practically need industrial equipment to carry 'em around.
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As the old ‘Those who are not welcome were those engaging in personal attacks’ line has been trotted out again, let’s actually look at what happened.
So. The bannings started after Gany’s post of 7:31pm on the 5th of May.
The first people to post was Karmabum stating they were not breaking any rules, and Gany should go back to pretending this isn’t happening. Result? Ban
Second is Snackness saying Karmabum was accurate and that she isn’t sorry for posting, as she isn’t in secondary school. Result? Ban
Tsar says it is obvious Gany doesn’t want convo, so why not lock the thread rather than ban people, critiqued Gany’s tone and suggested she step. away. Result? Ban
Arkandel posts mild criticism of Derp’s ability to admit he is wrong, and asked for clarification on points. Result? Not banned.
Meg posts that people didn’t deserve this, and begs Gany to unban and lock thread. Result? Ban. Later reversed.
Third-Eyed Crow suggests Anglo Saxon fornication to Gany. Result? Banned (Note: The first real “personal attack”)
Narson, the evil dipshit, states they are confused on why Arkandel isn’t banned for the fourth post after no talking. Result? Banned.
Sahin asks ‘Why?’ and posts a cat GIF. Result? Warning to ‘Don’t. Just Don’t’.
Arkandel posts asking what did he do in response to Narson. Result? Gany offers to PM with him.
Gany posts to Sahin and Arkandel.
Ifrit posts critiques Gany’s ‘Emotionless Cat Lawyer Boy’ persona, and suggests she has destroyed 10 years of community by not just stepping back, he then says goodbye. Result? Banned
Bear_Necessities repeats Third-Eyed Crow’s offer. Result? Nothing at this point (Note: Arguably the second real “Personal attack”)
Flyrannosaurus posts a gif of an M60 firing out of a helicopter. Resault? Nothing
Bear states they weren’t silenced and for Gany to stop and reverse bans. Result? Banned
Sahin says they won’t stop and asks for ban. Result? Banned.
DeletedUser posts gif of mass slapping. Result? Nothing
Herja points out the hypocrisy in this action compared to Derp situation, and states Gany looks like a clown. Result? Ban
Prism states that they’d rather be banned than hang around with who is left. Result? Banned
Scar states Gany is unhinged. Result? Banned but then reversed.
Coin states ‘message received’. Result? Banned but reversed without comment and removed from even original banned list.
Groth asks if this is how it ends. Result? Nothing
Hellfrog posts a GIF asking what in tarnation. Result? Nothing
Selira says Gany has killed the board. Result? Nothing
Ghost posts a question mark, then says the baord is getting better from bannings in a second post. After a while he posts two more times, after another Gany ask to stop posting. Result? Finally banned. Then reversed.
3543thrh67 posts that Gany is surprised. Result? Nothing
Cobalt posts asking Gany to take a cool off. Result? Gany states she won’t ban Cobalt for it.
ILuvGrumpyCat posts pointing out Ghost’s problematic history, and also addresses their disappointment in Gany’s choices. States she can go ahead and ban them. Result? Banned
OldFrightful says just lock the thread. Result? Nothing
Roz posts that Gany has degraded her authority, and cross links to the Macha/Farfalla logs. Result? Banned
Now. When it comes to personal attacks, the more clear are Scar, Third-Eyed and Bear-Necessities. Of those, Scar’s ban is reversed and Bear has to post a second time in order to get banned. The challenge to authority, the questioning of it, rather than the personal attack is what gets the ban. And I’d argue that is the more obvious common denominator there. And in terms of whether bans got reversed, several of those who were banned (Like Coin), Gany stated her own feelings that these were the hard ones. So friendship matters more in not being excluded (kinda…well…what’s the term? Clique behaviour?).
So no, those that are unwelcome on MSB aren’t those who engaged in personal attacks. It is those that asked questions of an admin who admits their behaviour could be reasonably described as unhinged (hence the reversal of Scar’s ban for the unhinged personal attack). Several of those who did engage in personal attacks or expressed glee at the bannings etc didn’t even get a warning. Again, suggesting that standards were relaxed for those supporting the admin position even if their behaviour mirrored or was worse than those being banned.
When someone shows you who they are, over and over again? Believe them.
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How I, a man famous for being willing to throwdown with anyone regardless of how much evidence my opinion has behind it, managed to not post in that shitstorm at all is beyond me.
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I do not believe that those left involved at MSB are capable of running a successful online forum about text based role playing games. Whether you think that bar is high or hilariously low, they don’t cross it.
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@Apos As with MUs, success is dependent on those judging. Even if nobody posts ever again, they will claim it is successful.
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@Pavel yeah but they’ll know better themselves, they just won’t admit it out loud
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simplications if you’re reading this:
I’m sorry, I fucked up. The way you showed up on MSB, the timing, and the group of posters whose statements were being mutually borrowed as fuel for each others fires, made me assume the worst about your intentions.
There are actually a fuckton of literal fascists in this hobby; Cullen for example had an iron cross as his forum avatar on HavenRPG for a while, and I’ve posted receipts elsewhere of someone going on a very explicit antisemitic & misogynistic tirade about me. On the recent thread, I also linked an example of what was basically an attack thread against me for wanting to start a pro-intersectional community for other MU*ers. So yes I am very prickly about this subject, and I like to think I’m generally good at spotting the talking points of people trying to manipulate the discourse in that direction, but in this case I misfired. Because yeah: I was there to address misogyny and victim-blaming, and in that context, the discussion about privileged groups while seemingly siding with the people doing it, looked to me like a very common tactic.
I now understand this was a misunderstanding.
Sorry I went for the throat; I was in attack mode, and attacked the wrong person.
I’d DM but lol, banned. (Which is for the best, because that was not healthy for me.)
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There are actually a fuckton of literal fascists in this hobby; Cullen for example had an iron cross as his forum avatar on HavenRPG for a while, and I’ve posted receipts elsewhere of someone going on a very explicit antisemitic & misogynistic tirade about me. On the recent thread, I also linked an example of what was basically an attack thread against me for wanting to start a pro-intersectional community for other MU*ers.
Whoa. I honestly thought I was being too reactionary when the “healing” thread made me start thinking of Umberto Eco’s list, but it sounds like I’m not the only one who kinda got that vibe?
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There are actually a fuckton of literal fascists in this hobby;
There are fascists in a lot of places, alas. Fascists in gaming is an interesting area people are working on, but the far right were early adopters of online spaces (including back in the BBS days). Their methods will only ever get a small percentage of the population, but if you have so many people you can access, you can get to a much greater proportion of that small number and…well.
Then you cram them in a U-Haul and try to commit a hate crime at a pride event.
ETA: Umberto Eco’s ur-Fascism is a good starting place, but I’d really recommend Griffin’s work and other developments from the New Consensus and the cultural turn in fascist studies (Though of course accepting that some of the cultural understanding really goes back to the 1970s, but that fascist studies really is a more modern emergence as a scholarly field, so that’s when those older studies got really picked up and used)
When someone shows you who they are, over and over again? Believe them.
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WHO SAID FASCISTS WHERE NARSON COULD SEE
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@Narson may not remember, but we have bonded before about Umberto Eco on MSB.
Except I wasn’t sure if we were bonding or if I was being made fun of because this is the internet and idk them.
Everyone is sus.
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There are actually a fuckton of literal fascists in this hobby;
There are fascists in a lot of places, alas. Fascists in gaming is an interesting area people are working on, but the far right were early adopters of online spaces (including back in the BBS days). Their methods will only ever get a small percentage of the population, but if you have so many people you can access, you can get to a much greater proportion of that small number and…well.
As someone who is super into history, Norse mythology, Crusader Kings, punk rock, and RPGs, the amount of time I have to spend squinting at people with common interests and going “Okay, but are you a fucking Nazi?” is both alarming and exhausting.
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@Kestrel don’t worry, there is 0% chance of Narson making fun of someone for talking about fascism.
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As someone who is super into history, Norse mythology, Crusader Kings, punk rock, and RPGs, the amount of time I have to spend squinting at people with common interests and going “Okay, but are you a fucking Nazi?” is both alarming and exhausting.
This, but in Danish folklore and history nerd.
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There are actually a fuckton of literal fascists in this hobby;
There are fascists in a lot of places, alas. Fascists in gaming is an interesting area people are working on, but the far right were early adopters of online spaces (including back in the BBS days). Their methods will only ever get a small percentage of the population, but if you have so many people you can access, you can get to a much greater proportion of that small number and…well.
As someone who is super into history, Norse mythology, Crusader Kings, punk rock, and RPGs, the amount of time I have to spend squinting at people with common interests and going “Okay, but are you a fucking Nazi?” is both alarming and exhausting.
You get it on a lot of things - I have reported a lot of stuff on steam that I’ve just casually come across on games like Humans Fall Flat etc. I have a whole list of ‘Why the things we like are also Nazis’. It might be why I’m not allowed at parties.
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@Aria Oh look, 4 of the 5 things you listed are 4 of my own interests, and my history specialization is modern European (really WW2). This is very familiar to me.
Formerly known as Seraphim73 (he/him)
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