Numetal/Retromux
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@Cygnus said in Numetal/Retromux:
she can’t be assed to RP with people she doesn’t like–which, fair enough. I also don’t think it creates a healthy community in a MUSH
I think it’s a neutral thing in itself. Where it goes foul is when there’s ST cooperation to make it so the group can fully engage with every plot without ever RPing out-of-clique. Or making rulings that allow them to defeat PC foes without engaging, or remove the consequences of stuff like ignoring Ensign Dull telling you about the cracked beryllium sphere, or blithely walking away while Ensign Dull is being clubbed by a Gorn.
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@Cygnus said in Numetal/Retromux:
I think the MU youngins are calling what she does ‘harem-building’ these days, we just called it a clique.
Harem-building often comes with connotations of sexual exploitation or manipulation.
He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
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@Cygnus So it’s your position that a person refusing to RP with people they don’t like is bad for the game? Are you saying that you’d rather force them to RP with people they don’t like?
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@MisterBoring I’d think it depends on where the emphasis is in that sentence. If one refuses to RP with people they dislike, that’s fine, but avoiding RP with people they don’t specifically like can make a game feel very unwelcome indeed if it’s the norm.
That said, no individual player should be expected to carry the weight of being the welcome wagon and intake machine.
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whenever people complain that someone doesn’t RP with people they don’t like I’m like ??? that’s how hobbies work??? you do hobbies for fun???
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@MisterBoring said in Numetal/Retromux:
@Cygnus So it’s your position that a person refusing to RP with people they don’t like is bad for the game? Are you saying that you’d rather force them to RP with people they don’t like?
How did you get this from what I said? I said it’s a gray area. It can be innocent at first, but when it becomes exclusionary it spirals quickly out of control. Are you saying that the hate for people like VASpider who have done exclusionary things like this is unwarranted because they just didn’t like the people they excluded, and they were justified killing the games they killed?
Also, MU*s are games that tend to include a large amount of players, some of whom you are likely not to enjoy. Does this mean that your feelings as a player about another player dictate whether they can or can’t enjoy the rest of the game, and whether they get plot/job attention? Because that’s what happens when these cliques take over a game.
@MisterBoring said in Numetal/Retromux:
To rephrase my question:
Does @Cygnus feel it is a staff’s job to ensure that any single person is RPing with everyone?
It’s staff’s job to break up cliques and not let them take over the entire game, staff, and culture, to not let them spread hate campaigns, and not let players be the jury of who is allowed into scenes and plots. Because that’s what happen when these things get out of control. That’s when staff needs to step in, not when it’s a group of friends playing games together.
This is a person who would do exactly that; get angry when someone in their group was RPing with someone they didn’t like, and do exclusionary things that are not healthy for a game.
It’s obviously tough for staff to tell when this is and isn’t the case, but when complaints start to pile up it should get addressed. This doesn’t happen on RetroMUX because certain staffers are part of the clique itself; they dole out plots to people the popular kids club approve of, so they’re feeding into the non-community aspect of a game.
It’s totally fine to not RP with people you don’t like. It’s not ok to make them feel unwelcome and ostracized until they leave. Players don’t get to decide to do that to another player, and behavior that rationalizes or makes excuses for this kind of thing needs to be excised from MU*s forever.
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@Pavel to be fair, so did cliques back in my day. It’s not exactly the same, but every weird MUSH clique that ever existed has manipulation and it is often sexual. Important here to say that welcoming circles of friends are different than cliques or harems, we’re not talking about those here.
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@Cygnus said in Numetal/Retromux:
This doesn’t happen on RetroMUX because certain staffers are part of the clique itself; they dole out plots to people the popular kids club approve of, so they’re feeding into the non-community aspect of a game.
Do you think, based on your knowledge of the game, you could identify the members of the clique in question?
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@MisterBoring Earlier in the thread talked about the secret giovanni discord separate from the game discord where Chaos went to talk shit about players, so it’s safe to say he’s a part of it. I’ve been away for a long while though, I don’t even know who’s still on staff other than the tags on the post of Eddie getting banned for doing all the shit I said he was.
Definitely telling though that a staffer from that game came in to say there’s never been reports about Eddie and the game is fine, yet this is what they’re posting on site.
