Wikibara’s allegations
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@Kestrel said in Antisemitism allegedly:
Maybe it also really was an honest mistake to have created a whole new thread, and the intention was to reply directly to the comments in context. But I really wish this board didn’t now have a whole thread titled “Antisemitism Allegedly” about how, allegedly, allegations of antisemitism cannot be trusted. Did this need to be a topic here?
It’s possible to rename threads. V, I’d consider it. Person to person, player to player. Not mod voice.
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Your post has upset me and is partly why it took me so long to respond. It is difficult topic and beyond the scope here.
I believe there are racists in this hobby. We been given no reason to believe retro staff are among them. Even Wiki admitted there is no reason to believe they are among them.
You don’t need to believe me. It is what it is. It can be hard to know online who people really are so while the doubts are ouch, I can empathize with them.
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@Tez
Sure I absolutely meant to reply and replied wrong. I would be fine with the posts being moved if they can be. -
Sorry I can’t find the command to change the title.
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Wiki said he got an antisemitic dm from an unknown user and suggested it could be from retro staff. He did I believe admit there was nothing connecting the dm to retro beyond timing.
Retro staff as far as I know said nothing racist to him even accidentally. While they could apologize and maybe did that someone did that, I don’t believe they should apologize as if they did a wrong.
I don’t believe they should be held accountable for the actions of an unknown user who has no known association with them.
Things like this is partly why the allegation is concerning as well meaning people may go but staff should apologize. Also it is partly on me as my wording was unclear and continued with the information from the other thread. I really made this worse by speaking up and apologize myself especially to retro staff as now it is spiraling.
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I would say that it’s less about the allegations of antisemitism in general and more about allegations that turn out to be untrue. A lot of (very abusive, shitty) people can point to allegations proven false as evidence of no wrong-doing in the future, which can create a more dangerous space – this was my argument against Wikibara’s inclusion of the link between their application being denied and antisemitism in their original post.
When I worked in in-patient court-mandated substance abuse recovery, there was a white supremacist guy who told me tales about how he would get fabrications of abuse, which could easily be proven false to create a protective shell. “I don’t abuse my partner, she said I abused her and everyone found out it was bullshit”, which then gave him free rein to kind of abuse whomever. After all, people are lying to discredit his character. I stopped being interested in correctional psych after that, if I’m being honest. Moral injury and all.
According to my (very uninformed, very amateur) research, this is apparently called a “silver bullet” in the legal field.
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Just as an addendum to the above exchange, I’ve edited my first post on this thread to reflect that @voiceinthevoid and I ended up talking things through in DMs, and I do believe they were coming from an authentic place. I stand by the rest of what I said, and also appreciate them hearing out my discomfort and taking concerns on board.
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I believe that my post was partly emotional and was not worded well. I should have let this rest. I also think Kestral was coming from a good place and made good points and I appreciate Tek’s input in changing the name.
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@voiceinthevoid said in Wikibara’s allegations:
– I appreciate Tek’s input in changing the name.
It’s Tez.
Just – to be clear. You’re fine. Just want everyone to know who I am, which is Tez, with a z.
Glad you guys had a good conversation.
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@Tez said in Wikibara’s allegations:
@voiceinthevoid said in Wikibara’s allegations:
Just – to be clear. You’re fine. Just want everyone to know who I am, which is Tez, with a z.
