@LeeRoyBatty Still though, I hope it shined a little light on the bullshit that happens on that game and people learn to stay away. My life has been a whole lot better out of MUSH in general, even reliving this excruciating experience has been awful.

@LeeRoyBatty Good point, it really wasn’t worth it, I let his bullshit lies get to me. Should have just kept my peace and not come back to this thread

@MisterBoring To be fair, I made the long response to a bunch of lies from Sephiroth about how things were handled OOC. I talked a little shit, but it was minimal a month or so ago. The lies about me from staff really pissed me off so I came back with receipts. Realistically, I should’ve just not logged in again and left the convo but hey. At least its some entertainment for ya’ll.

@MisterBoring how is my making a gangrel kinfolk character even slightly equivalent on the toxicity scale with all the shit I’ve proved about this game? I came with receipts too, and people are just saying shit about me that didn’t happen without a receipt to be found. I posted the truth about the situation, including stuff about my character. Because I could really care less about what people think of my character. Some people like it, some people didn’t. Who cares?

What annoys me is that the majority of people here are ignoring the actual problematic shit to get mad about how people decide to have their fantasy fun time. It has true WORA genetics, but it’s the definition of strawman and not at all equivalent in terms of shittiness. Sorry, but I don’t see how the fact I had a couple rites and took a wolf form in court is equivalent to OOC, cross-character harassment that multiple people in this thread have pointed out about this game. NOT just me.

@catzilla I know it was cringe, but I posted that in response to a STAFFER here saying I wanted to build a special potion to become a human/shifter again. That is not what happened, I posted that to show that he was lying, not that I was a guy with all the best ideas LMAO

@LeeRoyBatty said in Numetal/Retromux:

THIS IS WHO I REALLY AM INSIDE, BELLA

ok. This made me laugh. LOL

@LeeRoyBatty Your takes are braindead, so enjoy yourself I guess. Simple pleasures for simple people

You heard it here, folks. Receipts of bad staff behavior don’t matter, it’s also totally cool that staff hits on players in their DMs, outed trans people, and repeatedly lied in this thread. A gangrel took wolf form in Elysium and took a shifter merit, so let’s get him!

@LeeRoyBatty said in Numetal/Retromux:

doesn’t belong in a Vampire game

Says you. I call bullshit on that. The merit ‘Supernatural Kinfolk’ means that the developers thought different.

Also, damn, you are triggered as fuck. Maybe go on a walk or something and think about how any of that word vomit you just posted justifies continuous OOC harassment for months on end, and the platforming/defense of problematic sex pests, staff favoritism, and all the other bad shit that has been revealed with receipts about this game.

‘Oh no, your character is a jerk, better make that the entire problem and ignore all the heinous shit staff did on this game!’ - you, basically

@MisterBoring When did I say I never saw it or dealt with it? Not sure how you got that out of the quote you pulled. I’m saying it was, by far, the worst on RetroMUX. Even old games like the Reach and Haunted Memories weren’t even close, and they weren’t great in those departments.

@Juniper said in Numetal/Retromux:

Is it normal to view unpleasant, controversial or “dumb” in-character behaviour this negatively? If a character causes trouble, is that considered subversive to the community or even rude? Is disruption and conflict not the bread and butter of telling stories together?

I’m seeing why this character might have been a problem to other characters, but I guess I don’t see why that means the OOC actor was a problem. Seems like a lot of bleed.

It was an immense amount of bleed. I’ve never seen it so bad at any other game, and I’ve played or staffed at most if not all of the big WoD MU*s over the years. It was bad enough that this game made at least 5 of the people I RPed with on that game quit MUSHing for good. RetroMUX is filled with people who think they can decide how you should RP, with whom you should RP, and staffers who don’t do anything when this sort of browbeating continuously happens.

Not to mention, if you spoke up about the bad behavior of staff, god forbid, you’d get instantly site-banned. Like what happened to the person who was outed as trans by Chaos. For those who say it didn’t happen, I’m sure he even mentioned it to me in pages, not just in the super secret shit talking discord they had. ‘Oh, by the way, this character who is female is played by a guy and I don’t like them, so don’t listen to their complaints’ is what I remember.

It’s not normal, it was an inordinate amount of abuse and toxicity, and in my view, people like Wyrmsign here are blowing how bad I was -way- out of proportion. I still fail to see how me sitting in court as a wolf for the majority of Courts, standing by the door looking angry, and walking out when it was done, is somehow so extremely disruptive. That was the majority of what I added to Court scenes, first and last court not included.

@LeeRoyBatty Literally who cares? What, do I need to play the same Toreador that’s been apped a thousand times, with an occult bookstore or a bar, who just social RPs all the time about nothing? I play games like this for interesting and unique stories.

By these terms, any character who isn’t a cookie cutter app is a Gary Stu. I didn’t self insert a self-dealized version of myself into this shit, which is my understanding of a Gary Stu/Mary Sue. Generally those are like romance authors who make main characters that are sad, lonely authors who also know kung fu without training, but just want a man/woman to love them, or whatever.

@Pyrephox said in Numetal/Retromux:

But when someone does it every single time

For what it’s worth, I didn’t have these issues nearly as much with the Werewolves. They were actually way more accepting of the situation, Niall (Eddie’s alt) and Pika (A mage alt with spirit or whatever who was similarly unique) not withstanding. While Pika would whisper massassa or something at me, and Niall would do his general OOC/IC harassment, you know who was coolest? The full moon auspice shifters, bear shifter, and surprisingly, the viking wolf dudes who generally seemed to be killers in general. Had great RP with them and lots of the shifters.

I distinctly remember a super awesome and frankly emotional scene I had with the Sept leader where she cleansed me in the lake and accepted me, which was the first acceptance of my character on the game. Bringing people to the Garnet Spring that I trusted was awesome. Sparring with the Ventrue Primogen in the basement of the mansion was badass. Any one-on-one scene I had with Gangrel were likewise awesome.

The ‘bad scenes’ in question were generally Court, where the cool girls club would rally together and do their best to make me feel unwelcome and talk shit and expect no pushback whatsoever. It got so bad that eventually, I just started taking wolf form and literally saying nothing in court. But I’m sure those scenes where I had zero interaction are still on the list of how every scene I did I was ‘disruptive’.

My character was not always a jerk at all. I just didn’t bend to expectations, and made no apologies for who or what I was. THAT is what made people mad more than anything, and those reactions weren’t entirely in my control. For instance, how is a Tremere and Brujah Primogen (Eddie) demanding my blood for tests during the very first scene–and saying if I don’t, I’m not in ‘their’ Camarilla–my fault? Of course I said hell no. These people were immediately and violently confrontational and exclusionary.

But you know how it is. Do things that some people don’t like IC, and they say everything I did and the very fiber of my being of my character and me as a player is bad and should be harassed, I guess.

@Wyrmsign said in Numetal/Retromux:

You behaved badly when you didn’t get what you wanted.

Show receipts like I did. I’ll wait.

@Wyrmsign But yeah, go off about my CHARACTER being an asshole IC, which you are using as a justification of the continuous harassment and lies about me the PLAYER. Ignore the super secret discord where staffers go to talk shit to their favorites, the favoritism, and the unyielding platforming of an abusive player that all happened OOC. That’s all fine because my character didn’t want to play nice, I suppose.

@Wyrmsign Sephiroth lied about how I got the character, lied about how I chose to leave the game, lied about Eddie’s mass reports, lied about how I introduced myself in multiple spheres, (and so did you, by saying I was a self-professed spy), lied about his OWN IC/OOC conflicts, lied about trans people getting outed, lied about extra XP, and so much more. These were all lies about OOC things.

I’m fully aware Vincent was a jackass. But I didn’t deserve the harassment, or the lies.

@Wyrmsign You’re deflecting all of the OOC bullshit that happened because you didn’t like what my character did ICly. Sorry you didn’t like him, but I literally do not care about what you think about Vincent the PC.

I guarantee you, for every player that ‘came back when I left’ (I wasn’t even playing outside casual scenes for the last three months because I almost kicked the bucket), there are 10 who left because of awful staff and the platforming of OOC harassment.

@Wyrmsign Sephiroth said with his full chest that Eddie has never been reported as a sex pest. I showed, with a receipt, that this isn’t true. Other people in this thread have also mentioned their issue with Eddie.

I also went point by point and showed receipts that proved otherwise for each of Sephiroth’s lies. So what you are saying here doesn’t mean squat to me because unless you have receipts of things that don’t exist, you’re trying to protect a problematic game, and protect problematic players. That shit is gross and is why RetroMUX is a bad place to play. And judging from the stories about RL, game jumping harassment by OTHER posters – and including the harassment on the discord I experienced – I am not even close to alone in this.

@Wyrmsign TF are you on about? You just insinuated that you saw all this as it was happening. You did not have the full context, full stop – unless you did, in which case staff was sharing it as it happened in real time to players inside your clique while ignoring the bad behavior of players like Eddie et all. Which yeah, that’s a super deep and problematic thing if it did happen.

@Wyrmsign said in Numetal/Retromux:

Wasn’t like I saw all this myself

Oh you saw all the DMs and plot pitches I sent in, all the receipts, the whole true story I posted? Damn if you’re NOT staff and are privy to that information, maybe there’s other, deeper issues at RetroMUX.