@Cygnus said in Numetal/Retromux:

she can’t be assed to RP with people she doesn’t like–which, fair enough. I also don’t think it creates a healthy community in a MUSH

I think it’s a neutral thing in itself. Where it goes foul is when there’s ST cooperation to make it so the group can fully engage with every plot without ever RPing out-of-clique. Or making rulings that allow them to defeat PC foes without engaging, or remove the consequences of stuff like ignoring Ensign Dull telling you about the cracked beryllium sphere, or blithely walking away while Ensign Dull is being clubbed by a Gorn.

@Aria said in Just because it's your fave don't mean it ain't literature:
Wars is The Hidden Fortress from Akira Kurosawa.

Ohh, if we’re doing that…

Totally do that, it’s fun and and I’m exited to know it.

I’m looking for ones where it’s an English-class ‘classic’ play but it’s a lot more fun when not narrowed.

Not at all related to @dvoraen’s work, but here’s my latest. I have a hard time resisting t-shirts and this one was $3.80 on Temu, and is awesome.

Dr. Jeffery Meldrum, Professor of Anatomy & Anthropology at Idaho State University and respected voice in Bigfoot research.

@Yam

@Roz Ooh, excellent.

Also ha. I once created trouble by joking around about how The Stand is Watership Down is The Oydessy. (The trouble being that someone repeated it and her thesis advisor said cool.)

@Roz

Thanks! I heard about 10 Things… being The Taming of the Shrew, but didn’t know about She’s the Man or Clueless.

So, Sons of Anarchy is Hamlet, more or less, and so is The Lion King.

Any others like this come to mind? Extra helpful if the ‘original’ classic is a play.

@Trashcan said in MU Peeves Thread:

It calls on you to contribute fun to the community of players.

https://youtu.be/0FNZfR4bGw4?si=8GD4M9l1v_JAXux3

Spoiler

@Trashcan’s got it. Spot on and according to Hoyle and so on.

@Trashcan said in MU Peeves Thread:

Do you think it’s fair that people ask AI users to disclose it?

It’s not unfair to ask, but you know they won’t do it.

@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:

We’re all shit, we’ve all done shit, been shit, and/or said shit that we wouldn’t appreciate now and wouldn’t do now.

Batty once talked about their method of getting rid of players they didn’t like by ignoring them and cutting them off from RP. Once I accused them of doing this to me on MN. They were furious that I would insult them so by suggesting they’d do something so childish, they were sixteen when they did that. Now they’re defending it as good practice. So I assume they’d do it now.

Me, well, it’s not likely I’d hang about for anywhere near so long, but no. I am not gonna assume that any time somebody responds with low enthusiasm, they want me to stop contacting them entirely. Nor will I assume that any time somebody hurts my feelings and denies that they intended to, they’re lying and are really asking me to leave.

@LeeRoyBatty said in Numetal/Retromux:

I invited him to play on MN because he felt like staff was targeting him on SS and he was having trouble with finding satisfying RP with other players.

Naw. I quite liked my GM on Sheltering. Hell, I’m even pretty okay with Escalus, who isn’t (in my experience) vindictive or even normally unpleasant. His freak-outs have a sort of un-voluntary quality and are kind of great in their way, especially if you picture him as aging Marlon Brando cosplaying as Spider Jerusalem.

I was pissed about a few things there, but mostly left because they were closing it to start Fulcrum. Nobody was targeting me there, you thought they were targeting you.

I thought you invited me because we played frequently and at length and were having fun and had a friendship where we talked about some pretty heavy personal shit. My bad.

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@LeeRoyBatty said in Numetal/Retromux:

Players asked me to keep you away from them. Period. That’s not me being the only critic, that’s me as staff doing my job as staff. People who want no contact aren’t going to contact you.

That would be “player” as far as I know. There was more than one person who didn’t want to chat or RP with me, but only one who asked you to help. Which you refused to do, for months, telling them to ask me themself to buzz off, which they didn’t do. When you finally passed on the word, I complied. If there were other players asking you to keep me away from them, you made no effort to do so. The implication that there were shitloads of them and I wouldn’t know it because they only talked to you just makes you seem to have done a super shitty job taking care of more than one “harassed” player. Anyway, it sure af wasn’t what you were yelling about when you banned me.

@LeeRoyBatty said in Numetal/Retromux:

doxing is the exposure of PII

Yes. And “I wonder what is actually on my harddrive at home.” is a veiled threat to do it.

@Roz said in Celebrities We've Lost 2025:

Graham Greene, Dances with Wolves actor, dies aged 73

Don’t watch ‘Dances With Wolves’, watch this.

@Roadspike said in Numetal/Retromux:

@Pavel First w in the English manner, second w in the German manner, at least for me, when I steal it shamelessly.

“Twatwurst”, like “Winged” is variably pronounced in accordance with poetic requirements. See Awfuck, Lord Manybun’s classic of English verse, Ode To A Winged Twatwurst.

@LeeRoyBatty said in Numetal/Retromux:

You’re Scarpia, here’s how i know,

Yes. I am. It is pretty telling that you assume that this is a secret I suck at keeping, It is something I’m just too lazy to make more obvious. Veiled threats to dox people are a great quality in any MUer, especially, staff.

First screenshot — Wow! I actually remember this conversation. This is fucking amazing because of the volume of whisky it took to get through listening to you tell me that if I just wasn’t so boring and ran plots, players who didn’t exist would come out. I had to pour to refrain from reminding you that you couldn’t attract or retain players, required approval for PRPs but refused to take the time to discuss my plot pitches, and that it was you, not I, who had signed up for the role of Cam RP staff.

You claimed everybody was afraid to RP with me because I might say mean things about them on MSB. But that was not everybody, that was you. And you were the only person rain-checking me. Unbelievably enough, it typically took four or six reschedules, each time involving me waiting an hour to see if you’d show. You refused to do stuff async in the +job. Nice to see you were admitting that it was purposeful. You castigated me about my lack of respect for your time and said it was ableist of me to expect you to keep appointments because ADHD.

Second screenshot — the active cam players not minding your banning me didn’t mean much when that consisted of me and a couple who never came out of their room. If there were others, they didn’t play when I was on.

Third screenshot — This just shows that you lied to me about your feelings about that incident and had dismissed some highly relevant shit that I told you about it. And it gives the strong impression that you’d been bitching about me on your staff channel before it happened. That’s interesting because, well, we clashed at opening, and then things went along fine and fun until then. So was I supposed to have known I was unwelcome and left in spite of you saying we were fine AND approving me, neither of which you had to do?

You should explain what “The Registry” was for the people in the back.

Screenshots of you complaining about me don’t prove I was behaving badly or that I was disliked. Funny, one of the last of your lectures/rants/advice sessions was about how I should be happy because I topped the +votes and +recs every month and was obviously well-liked. +votes were just XP farming, but there’s no explanation for the +recs that doesn’t involve players wanting to compliment me. Why the hell would you tell me that when you wanted me to leave?

You are right that it wasn’t a ‘single harmless incident.’ There was a long-standing pattern of you acting like an absolute twatwurst and then getting real mad that I didn’t like it and denying that it was hostile.

Sure, I was a buzz-kill. It was ugly to watch. But I didn’t have to do anything to be a buzz-kill, besides log on and want to play. This is why you accused me of “complaining on the looking for RP channel” when what I did was join it and not say anything.

People left over your confrontational and inconsistent GMing. This messed me up – you really liked one of them and were sad they left. They found you hostile and had a panic attack when they learned they’d been RPing with your PC. This kept me questioning the intent of your hostile behaviour toward me. Which you consistently denied was intentional.

I should have left, but we’d been good friends. I liked you and gave you too many chances, and you did shit like act all delighted to see me when I did leave and logged back on again a week later to @mail someone. Still my mistake.

I shouldn’t have been there at all, since when we met you were staff on Sheltering Sky, playing an illegal alt that the other staff there saw as a problem player, and complaining about staff and other players. I knew you were untrustworthy and trusted you anyway, absolute muppet that I am. My bad.

But those bads were me being naive and loyal, not malicious. The night before you de-approved me was the actual moment when I finally and completely gave up on you.

So you’re admitting people were avoiding you and spin it as their fault for not giving you a formal ‘do not talk to me’ WHILE dismissing the whole thing sarcastically as a “hideous crime”? Bruh. That’s WILD. Shit like this is why I banned you, man, boundary disrespecting shit like this right here.

No, on all counts. That was not me. Nor was Ryen the name. The person said they did not know the other players were avoiding them and had played with them recently.

Also. “shifting responsibility onto others for not spelling it out” line is bullshit. If you want another player to leave you alone, it is your responsibility to tell them, or at the very least, stop chatting with them. “Do as I say, not as I do,” is unfair, but “Do as I wish, not as I say,” is untenable. MUs are a text-only neurodiverse space.

Y’know, I did notice that MN was dead less than three months later. What happened? Was it just no fun without somebody to fume about and blame? Did you pick the wrong replacement scapegoat and destroy a friendship you cared about?

@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:

@Gashlycrumb Requiem for Kingsmouth had a thing where you’d have to specifically “apply” for tiers of characters

Yeah. You could have people apply, you could require that they have a trusted existing player as a ‘sponsor’ to get a ‘Main’ character.

It might be a good solution to go with your population-control idea – if you open with a hard limit on how many PCs, then you’re likely to end up with only 1/3 that number in three months and it’ll be hard to recover 'cause the ones who got turned away are not terribly likely to come back. If you have a hard limit on ‘Main’ characters you can upgrade ‘Supporting’ ones and probably have less of a crash problem.

@MisterBoring said in Numetal/Retromux:

So assuming a game has a “no-alts” policy, what’s the ideal response for when a player breaks that rule? I had two ideas, one harsh and one not.

Just ban them.

There’s nothing harsh about it, really. “One character per player” is not a rule that’s open to interpretation.

I am regularly bemused about clear violations of clear rules being repeatedly tolerated, or people getting endless ‘strikes’ after said rule has been clarified. I’ve seen a player continue for a year with a habit of changing the subject any time somebody rolls to eavesdrop on their IC conversation, with other players calling staff and Cheaty-Cheaty Bang-Bang getting the lecture, and then doing it again a week later. I’ve had a staffer tell me they gave an insufferably rude player The Lecture, problem solved, and then just ignore it when I replied that rude player was doing it again right as staffer was assuring me that it wouldn’t happen again. It’s not harsh to stop people who make a habit of breaking the rules or ignore really clear and plain rules.

In over thirty years of playing these damn things I have been banned once, and it was, as far as I could tell, for asking another player for their contact info and explaining that I was gonna quit since Staffer had made clear their intention to exclude me indefinitely. I’ve been threatened with banning for telling a staffer that it “felt railroady” to not be allowed to attempt a con that NPCs were already doing. The recent actual banning that had me raising eyebrows was for the hideous crime of paging people asking for RP when those people wanted to avoid the pager but did not want to go so far as to ask the pager not to contact them. That shit is harsh.

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@Pavel It’s pretty difficult to find a firm line between ‘Main’ and ‘Supporting’ etc. (Cirroc Lofton appeared as a “main cast” member on the opening credits every episode but was in a lot fewer episodes than others, and Jake Sisko was not very important compared to a number of “Special Guests” like Garak.)

You would have to be able to change it easily, bit not frequently – You can’t just switch your “Main” from Sven the Sorcerer to Dennis the Dung Gatherer the minute the big sorcerer plot-line wraps up and the dung-gatherer plotline launches, etc.

I think when Rom becomes Nagus he becomes a “Special Guest Star” if he’s like Zek – he’s powerful, and when he’s there it’s likely to be all about him, but he’s mostly not there. (This doesn’t change your point, just an observation.)

The objection is that if you go around telling players they can have a main character they’ll act ‘entitled’ and think their character should have main-character opportunities. I think that they actually should, and that situations where one person is playing three characters who all have major roles while other players are wallflowering are bad, so.

@Hobbie Yes. Artificial WHO inflation grates on me. I usually want to play just one character per game. But a lot of people do fine with it, I think.

I’d like to see an alt system that has you rank them – you have one ‘Main’ PC and any alts are ‘Supporting’ or ‘Extra’. (Quark is a main character. Rom is a supporting, mostly he just does shit for Quark but once in a while it’s about him. Morn is an extra, but sure, he has whole life of his own off-camera, he’s important to plot once in six years.) But this does not seem to be a popular idea.

@Juniper all excellent points

@Pavel You have to enforce it, yes.