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@somasatori said in AI In Poses:
Even the staunchest “LLMs reduce the mental load/writing barrier on the player to dig into the story” advocates have to admit that would be a useless future for the hobby.
No one has to admit anything and YOU CAN’T MAKE THEM!!!
@somasatori This is inaccurate to how they would actually respond. I was actually just saying this elsewhere, but the technology changes RAPIDLY, and we are fooling ourselves to think that is what it looks like, or that what we recognize now we will recognize in six or even three months.
A somewhat silly one:
I am a solitary person. The reasons for that are not all good nor all bad, but the results have been that I rarely ever invite people back to my house for anything, or really initiate hangouts (largely because I have a crippling fear that if people say yes, it’s only because they pity me and are good enough people to put up with the boring person for a little while).
A few weeks ago, I invited my gaming group to a dinner at my house. They came! I cooked + they brought sides, and…a good time was had by all.
As stupid as it sounds, it’s really the first time I’ve invited a group of friends over to my house for a dinner/hangout since high school (which was quite a while ago). I’m very happy that it went well.
@somasatori Yeah. It looked like AI to me and it’s not the only game out there that looked like it had AI content to me. I don’t personally care as much about code, probably bc I’m not a coder, but the content is the heart and soul of it for me, and it sucks to see.
@Jumpscare said in AI In Poses:
@Tez said in AI In Poses:
I saw a lot of people going ‘oh no, people might think I’m AI’ on the other thread but no examples of anyone actually getting incorrectly flagged. I think these are strawmen. Have we seen it happen?
I put some of my writing for room descs into an AI detector. Almost every one was marked as AI. Then I tried some from a former builder who I know was using AI (but I hadn’t honed my personal detection methods well enough to spot it, and we’ve since removed all of her descs). And it came back as not AI. This was back in early 2024, though, so maybe detection methods have improved in almost 2 years.
I think a lot of us can say this about things we’ve written. Sometimes, especially because as a hobby we do often write a lot , and often in the areas these datasets are trained on, the way that we write CAN look sus. Lord knows we do, and have, and did raise this concern in the other thread.
But has anyone actually disciplined you for the things you’ve sincerely written, though? That’s the case I’m actually interested in, not the anxieties people have that they might accidentally get flagged as AI and banned on an off day. I just don’t think that’s happening.
I saw a lot of people going ‘oh no, people might think I’m AI’ on the other thread but no examples of anyone actually getting incorrectly flagged. I think these are strawmen. Have we seen it happen?
@Ashkuri said in AI In Poses:
You ask them if they’ve used AI and they say ‘no that’s my writing.’ Which seems super unlikely, but rare is the confronted player who just says “ya got me.”
What happens next?
You’re right that players rarely admit to using LLMs. Fundamentally in your scenario you have a player who has broken a rule. If someone breaks a rule, I would ban them. There’s not a lot of nuance in that.
The nuance, of course, is in the question on whether or not you can truly accurately determine whether or not someone is using LLM.
I strongly believe that you can. I honestly have found the conversation in the other thread sort of baffling on a fundamental level. I won’t say that it is always obvious – and this is something I will touch on in a moment – but between AI detectors and human intelligence, you can tell.
Have I caught everyone who uses LLM? Maybe not. Am I confident that everyone I’ve caught using LLM truly did? Yes.
@Faraday said in AI In Poses:
@Ashkuri I doubt I would try to enforce such a policy for individual poses, just as I don’t routinely run other peoples’ poses through a plagiarism checker. But speaking hypothetically…
I might not run things through a plagiarism checker, but I literally have seen people steal descriptions from other people and reuse them on other games. (@Roz for example. Someone stole her character desc from Arx and tried to use it on Concordia. As I recall, the player was disciplined. I am not sure if they were banned.)
We can and do punish players for plagiarism in this hobby, so if we treat them as equivalent, then why wouldn’t we punish them?
If their poses are that nonsensical, probably others will too. Feels like kind of a self-limiting problem to me.
I think you fail to understand how far LLM have come. You aren’t going to get absolute nonsense poses. LLMs are producing writing that grows more and more sophisticated. Like it or not, the technology evolves quickly. I don’t think you can dismiss it by saying that it is going to be obvious nonsense.
I’ve been thinking about how noticeable this will be going forward. As the technology grows more sophisticated, it may become more difficult to detect. It may slip past a threshold where I am confident in my ability to detect. I don’t know. I’ve spitballed ideas about how to deal with it in my head. Some of them are so silly that I won’t derail this thread with them.
For now, though, I can tell. I ban for plagiarism. I ban for LLM. Don’t break rules on my games.
No one post about em-dashes in this thread for the love of god. No one is coming for your em-dashes.
@Jumpscare Totally, but don’t let the perfect be the enemy of good.
@Rathenhope alerted me to this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signs_of_AI_writing
Made me think of the intermittent discussions we’ve had about how to identify AI writing. Maybe this will be helpful or interesting for some of you!
@Warma-Sheen said in Warma-Sheen:
The only time there’s been an accusation of cheating that was even close to true was on City of Glass. Another player who I knew RL and was close with at the time had my password and logged on my character to a social scene.
This is embarrassing. Please take time to reflect on your actions. If that’s impossible, please take time to come up with better excuses.
