Neitherlands

[Testament]

@renaveleigh said in Neitherlands:

@Testament

If I were to actually do it, it’d be touching into all kinds of drama within the mush community of current and years past. Covering people like DWOPP, Dropkick, Custodius, Nymeria, VASpider, The Great Spilt of MSB/BMD, and the fall of various mushes over the years.

You don’t pick sides, and everything and everyone can be a potential target. And you only do it if you have everything on hand as being factual, dotted I’s and crossed T’s. Because you don’t want to get shit wrong. That in itself is the liability of the commentary community on YouTube. There’s always that chance you’re going to make a mistake and mistakenly drag someone.

The problem with mush drama is most documentation is hearsay. Except in situations where receipts are produced. You have to be able to vet sources properly. And if you can’t do that, then don’t do it at all. This is inherently the biggest reason why I haven’t made a YouTube channel covering it.

That and really? It’s a lot of work and I don’t know if I have the patience for it.

[Jennkryst]

@Testament Yeah, the only reason I haven’t done any video essay type stuff is because at it’s core, it’s an essay, and I haaaaaate research.

Someone else collate all the data for me, and I’m in.

[shit-piss-love]

@Testament lol man i’m nowhere near the center of our little hobby community and the name Custodius rang for me. I remember that person from the early days of Castle Marrach around 2001. Can’t recall most things from that far back but he was creepy and manipulative enough to stick!

[Jenn]

So… I really thought all of this shit was just done and over with. It’s been a month, and there’s been a lot of RL happening since, and plenty of other games. Once someone decided that me trying to say that @inuki didn’t deserve to be threatened was me beating a dead horse… I closed this thread and didn’t look back.

But that’s before I woke up to three different DM’s in my Discord about Sophia, asking if I was back. Apparently, a month after being banned, and a month after having been moved to the ‘dead’ part of characters with a note that was just awful…

Sophia lives again? At least long enough to have had her password changed so that scenes set private - and only to her - could be shared game-wide. WTF? How petty can shit get? @inuki - Any ACTUAL answers this time? I kind of thought you’d sunk as low as people can, and had found the hard rock bottom for game staff. But I guess you continue to surprise me!

[Cobalt]

What the actual fuck.

[Vulgar Boy]

The place is super dead, so maybe she just figured that there’s no such thing as bad publicity.

[Tez]

y i k e s

[BloodAngel]

HOLY HOLY!

[Coin]

@Jenn

[Pavel]

I appreciate this new (or pseudo-new) crop of staff going out of their way to make me look better by comparison.

[Prospero]

@Jenn I am so sorry to hear that.

Back when I was active and running a game, I had suggested to Faraday that there should (IMO at least) be a mechanism to remove unshared / private scenes as part of the newpassword/idle/roster process, either automatically or manually by staff.

I was the one who initially discovered that page conversations weren’t wiped and reported it, and Faraday was able to address pretty quickly. At the time, I hadn’t realized that unshared scenes were also kept.

Given what unshared scenes often consist of, I felt the idea of someone walking into a roster game and seeing that sort of activity with their new character might be off-putting.

Although I realize there’s not an easy solution, because if you erase the scenes you’re taking them away from other players who participated. So I had suggested something like unlinking unshared scenes when the character object is cycled, but I’m not sure THAT is a great solution, either.

But I am so sorry this person keeps finding new ways to victimize you.

[Jenn]

Given what unshared scenes often consist of, I felt the idea of someone walking into a roster game and seeing that sort of activity with their new character might be off-putting.

But I am so sorry this person keeps finding new ways to victimize you.

A few things:

• I think it would be AMAZIGLY awesome to be able to share private scenes that makes them readable only to the characters who wrote them - and to wipe those if/when one of those charbits enter a scene/delete command.

• At least the two she posted weren’t embarrassing. It’s just that one of them was being in the middle of being written when I caught my nuke… And the other was a vignette that was unshared because as I was writing it, things on the IC screen changed circumstances, so it was irrelevant. But I also figured in the future it would come back around again so I let it idle rather than needing to write it.

• There are still three scenes that WEREN’T shared by her yesterday. One is a very ugly verbal fight while my character was in the hospital between her, her best friend, and her not-boyfriend. The other two were absolutely nothing at all except some pretty explicit smut. At this point… I’m absolutely expecting revenge porn posting of those at some point. And I’m not gonna lie… That triggers my CPTSD in some truly significant ways. But I realize how irrational that is, too. If it happens, it happens, and all I can do is hope anyone who may read it at least has popcorn. If there /is/ a line @inuki is actually willing not to cross… I’d be ridiculous amounts of surprised and grateful.

[Cobalt]

@Prospero said in Neitherlands:

Back when I was active and running a game, I had suggested to Faraday that there should (IMO at least) be a mechanism to remove unshared / private scenes as part of the newpassword/idle/roster process, either automatically or manually by staff.

https://aresmush.com/tutorials/config/scenes.html#delete_unshared_scenes

[Prospero]

@Cobalt said in Neitherlands:

@Prospero said in Neitherlands:

Back when I was active and running a game, I had suggested to Faraday that there should (IMO at least) be a mechanism to remove unshared / private scenes as part of the newpassword/idle/roster process, either automatically or manually by staff.

https://aresmush.com/tutorials/config/scenes.html#delete_unshared_scenes

Well, yeah, but that’s universal. You would need to reset the time to delete unshared scenes to shorten it, wait for cron to delete those scenes, and then adjust it back.

I was hoping for a “flush” button that doesn’t need to wait on cron, and doesn’t impact the MUSH wide.

EDIT: Or use the scene flatten command and delete the scene or the poses, but one of the characters involved has to do it. So either ask scene partners of the rostered character to do it, or newpass it, claim it as a staff person, delete the scenes, and then put on the roster. Clunky workaround.

[Warma Sheen]

@Jenn said in Neitherlands:

• There are still three scenes that WEREN’T shared by her yesterday. One is a very ugly verbal fight while my character was in the hospital between her, her best friend, and her not-boyfriend. The other two were absolutely nothing at all except some pretty explicit smut. At this point… I’m absolutely expecting revenge porn posting of those at some point. And I’m not gonna lie… That triggers my CPTSD in some truly significant ways. But I realize how irrational that is, too. If it happens, it happens, and all I can do is hope anyone who may read it at least has popcorn. If there /is/ a line @inuki is actually willing not to cross… I’d be ridiculous amounts of surprised and grateful.

You coming back to take more digs at @inuki kind of makes it seem like you’re just trying to bait her. She very obviously made a conscious decision not to do the thing you say you think she’s going to do, but you showed up to insinuate she’s gonna do it anyway while calling her a horrible person for it.

I know she is an easy target which is why the thread has gone the way it is, but you’re just being a bully. I’m definitely not defending her behavior. @inuki obviously didn’t have great behavior. But neither did you. I’m guessing most people didn’t actually read the vomit of logs you put up but you were a nightmare of a player to have to deal with. Your constant pestering and ignoring of the things she told you. She tried to work your character into the plot and after enough of your pestering, she just gave up and gave you an easy out to resolve the storyline yourself. But you couldn’t leave it alone and continued to pester her to ST for you after she already told you she did not want to have to deal with you anymore.

Not to mentioned the part where you started telling other people that she was forcing your character to be sexually assaulted, which wasn’t true.

She said “Go bigger on the curse. This is hell-realm (edited typo) torture. THink the worst you can imagine. go bigger after”

You inferred sexual assault, then made it seem like she was forcing that on your character and you weren’t okay with it, without ever checking in on whether that was actually what was intended. @inuki had to bring it up to you only after hearing about it from other people to let you know that was not at all what was happening.

When she washed her hands and did not want to deal with you anymore she passed you off to another player, but you continued to antagonize. After all that came Leto teaching the super secret family magic to Sophia almost immediately (you were only on the game like 2-3 weeks), then getting upset when the family comes at you for it.

You were a huge headache and you took up a lot of the mental energy that @inuki should have been spreading around to the rest of the game. You were a pain in her ass and caused her to need to take a break from you. She told you exactly that. And yes, she told other people that too, which wasn’t cool. But then you kept up the antagonism until she had no other choice to ban you. And you did it because you thought she was going to ban you anyway. And you didn’t want to wait around for it to happen so you just kept escalating until she did because you didn’t like her decisions or her calls when they did not work out for you. But looking at them, they were all pretty reasonable. I’d say they were lenient to you.

@inuki wasn’t a saint. But neither were you. Let’s not pretend you were an innocent, blameless player who was just getting abused by some big bad headstaff.

So now you think your embarrassing TS logs are gonna be put out there to get back at you, even though they clearly were NOT put out there, but you show up here with insults and insinuations to try to force the issue. I’m sensing a pattern. You think something bad is gonna happen so you push until it does. But okay. You do you.

Is this enough of the drama you are clearly craving?

[Jennkryst]

In before people accuse @Warma-Sheen of being a secret alt account, just like the previous ‘oh, she is definitely X person’ without backing up the claim.

[helvetica]

@Warma-Sheen Some players take up more room than others. That’s something game runners have to contend with. But we’re not gonna sit here and pretend these two people share equal responsibility for their dynamic when one of them is actively signing into closed player accounts and posting logs while the other is voicing concern about that.

ETA: Are we NOT here for drama?

[Warma Sheen]

@helvetica No, not saying they are equal. But I am saying there’s bad behavior on both sides, not just one.

[helvetica]

@Warma-Sheen Word. I view the majority of @Jenn’s behavior as provoked. I don’t know anything about that sexual assault narrative, but I do know that @Jenn isn’t the one who was slipping into my DMs to badmouth people like I knew them. @Jenn wasn’t the one rewriting the storyline decisions to single people out or going on 15-20 minute uninterrupted rants on public channels.

You say @Jenn took up a lot of the mental energy @inuki should have been spreading around the rest of the game? Thank FUCKING GOD.

[helvetica]

Double posting to say that I’ve definitely had my frustrations over the years with players who take up a lot of space in a game. But it usually comes from a place of excitement about the story, and there are ways to use or redirect that momentum. Plot does not have to be a zero-sum game.