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Concordia Thread
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I forked off the BUT WHY thread.
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I applaud this, too! There’s no such thing as a perfect take on anything that relates culturally to the real world, but I like to see people approaching it with some thought, and acknowledging feedback.
If I had any desire to play L&L i’d check it out.
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@Tez said in Concordia Thread:
I am glad that we have largely left behind all-white games in the L&L space. I think the expectation that most people have is that you will see a diverse cast of characters. I appreciate that about Concordia, particularly where they have course-corrected with their pantheon. I think they are doing some other interesting things in that space, too.
There is maybe no perfect way to handle the issue of cultural diversity and real-world inspirations, but I still think that what they are doing is worth an upnod. You got your Targaryens, sure, and your red-heads, and your Romans–
But there is also a house that has clear East Asian influences and one with South Asian influences. I grabbed one of those from the roster because I am always dying to see something – anything, please, god – that isn’t just your standard Western French-British-Something take on fantasy. Then I ran into players who maybe had been expecting something more Western in the house, so I popped in a request to get more clarity. I wanted to know what staff’s intent actually was, and I like the answer I got.
Rather than directly copy and paste real-world cultures into the game, they’ve made a choice to draw on multiple places for inspiration to avoid generalizing, tokenizing, or fetishizing any real-world culture. In this case, yes, the house has elements of North India, but also Moorish Spain. I’m kind of curious if there’s a connecting thread of thought in that they were both extension of Islamic power at times, what with the Delhi Sultanate and Mughal Empire in North India, but I haven’t sat them down for details – and I actually enjoy classical India better so DON’T FEEL THE NEED TO DRAW THAT LINE ON MY ACCOUNT.
Right now, at this moment, all I really care about is that they are doing something different, something interesting, and something coming from a place of curiosity and thoughtfulness. I wouldn’t say that they are a perfect game, and there’s choices I wouldn’t have made, but holy fuck please I hope more fantasy L&L games in the future draw from a wider well than the tiny Western European fantasy well.
Even approaching something “Roman” kind of makes your average person reconsider what they’ve learned from media over the years when you consider that a Roman Citizen’s ancestry could have hailed from various parts of Africa, Western Europe, Eastern Europe, Asia Minor, Britain, or more.
Complicating things is the weird habit reactionaries have when it comes to clinging to historical narratives as some kind territory/playground .
This is an old link but I consider it completely illustrative of what I’m talking about.
tl;dr:
No place was ever as homogenous as people assume.
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I have been asked to leave this game and was banned. I have no idea what I did, but I still say it is an amazing game and wish it all the best!
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@BloodAngel said in Concordia Thread:
I have been asked to leave this game and was banned. I have no idea what I did, but I still say it is an amazing game and wish it all the best!
As much as I agree with games being able to refuse access to anyone for any reason, I do still think that that reason should at least be communicated. That’s just fucking good manners, you know?
Like if you didn’t want to say, that’s fine. But if they didn’t even tell you what you did that was so bad they didn’t tell you stop, just straight up banned you, that’s problematic on their part, since they aren’t even doing the bare minimum to attempt to protect other games or other people from having to deal with whatever that was, since even YOU are now UNAWARE of what it was, so you can’t make the conscious decision to change it.
It’s bad practice to ban/boot someone for reasons undisclosed to even them. Even if it’s, “we just don’t like you, man”. That’s still a reason and should still be communicated.
In Occam I trust.
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@Coin I got a forum post. But I don’t know what I did at all.
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@Coin Honestly it was a great game, I hope everyone can enjoy it! I loved the concept, the world building all of it!
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@BloodAngel said in Concordia Thread:
@Coin Honestly it was a great game, I hope everyone can enjoy it! I loved the concept, the world building all of it!
That’s big of you to say, considering they banned you. But it being or not being a great game concept-wise or even in general isn’t the issue I’m addressing, so much as this specific thing. It’s okay to focus criticism on a specific action rather than weighing it in general, imo.
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Two people were fired from our work without being given a specific reason. (“Told they could resign rather than having to put on other applications that they had been non-renewed.”) If professional settings can’t be bothered, it doesn’t surprise me a game would do the same.
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@junipersky said in Concordia Thread:
Two people were fired from our work without being given a specific reason. (“Told they could resign rather than having to put on other applications that they had been non-renewed.”) If professional settings can’t be bothered, it doesn’t surprise me a game would do the same.
It’s not a surprise. But it happening in a professional setting does not mean it’s unquestionable or justified in a non-professional setting (or even in said professional setting).
My criticism comes from what I perceive as bad practices for the reasons mentioned.
In Occam I trust.
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@Coin
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Be it unprofessional setting or not, I feel like the person in question should have have been given some kind of context for their removal. Even if they were being an absolute shit(not saying this situation, since it seems that no one knows).
But especially if that person is being a shit.
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I did not really expect to post on this forum again, but I’m feeling well-disposed towards a game actually addressing creepy behavior. They outlined reasons at https://concordiamu.aresmush.com/forum/1/310
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@Tchotchke Okay, as I said it was vague. I would like to know what about my behavior was creepy. I referred to the post above. So I can do better in the future, social cues and me don’t always work. I have many mental issues, to be honest.
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@Tchotchke said in Concordia Thread:
I did not really expect to post on this forum again, but I’m feeling well-disposed towards a game actually addressing creepy behavior. They outlined reasons at https://concordiamu.aresmush.com/forum/1/310
Yeah, sorry. Again, I’m not saying it’s an obligation to disclose the actual behavior (especially not in public), but that post does nothing to explain or elaborate. It just says ‘complaints and bannable behavior’.
What were the complaints about? What was the behavior? I’m not even saying it should be on the forum, but @BloodAngel is saying he wasn’t told, and that is the issue I’m addressing.
In Occam I trust.
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@BloodAngel Eeeeeeh, are you asking for people that might’ve complained about your behavior wanting to come forward? They don’t have to if that’s the situation.
Not for nothing, that implication might not be all that great either. Which I’m not saying is what you’re doing, but that might be how it reads to some, yeah?
I don't know what I'm doing. Poke at Seven Nations sevennations.aresmush.com port 2021
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@Coin I had not a word from the staff. I would have tried to adjust myself. I got a don’t run a scene and run an event page, my next two events I did not RP and run.
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@BloodAngel I can understand why you might want to know more details, but it can sometimes be hard to give details without it then becoming identifying information.
she/they
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@Tez I don’t want names, I just want to know how I can do better that is all.
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@Testament No, I want to know what the banned things are so I can be better in future talking to others.
