What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?
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@Kestrel said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
@catzilla said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
Maybe one day we’ll have a superhero game not run by abusers.
I know of one in the works, but I honestly think there is something about the genre. I largely agree with Alan Moore’s perspective on it.
There’s always been a thing where games were basically the same staffers and the same players, usually holding the same characters. And the past, whatever, fifteen years it’s basically all been the same theme, too. I miss actual Marvel games and DC games and like places that had canon cutoffs but I don’t think anybody’s even tried that since I was a teenager.
With Great Power is Ares and it’s very Async-focused but I really like one of the heads there, Grackle.
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@Kestrel Which is the one in the works? Is it a standard mu* or one of the new Ares ones? The only standard one that seems active at all seems to be HAM, which is unfortunate.
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SuperMUD. It’s a DIKU-codebase MUD with a heavy focus on storytelling. (I know a lot of people on these boards tend to be sort of anti-MUD and more pro-MUSH, but the core community waiting on it tend towards paragraph RP.) They have a Discord as well, I’m not personally in it, but if people are interested I can nudge a friend who can invite. They currently have a test server up that people can poke around on, and I believe are planning to launch some alpha RP events within a few months or so.
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Maybe one day we’ll have a superhero game not run by abusers
That has been the case for a while. HAM was founded by people who left UH over the abusive staffing and has been pretty much okay on that front. HAM’s own staff split was considerably more amicable and was provoked by creative differences and disagreements with certain aspects of policy. To be entirely accurate one of the policy disagreements was that some of us felt that HAM was too slow to react to and too willing to overlook “borderline” problematic behaviour from players, but I at least never saw any evidence of major staff misbehavior during the time I was staffing there. The occasional nothingburger interpersonal squabble that’s always going to happen in these spaces, but nothing abusive.
Superheroesmush.com is run by the group of us that split away from HAM’s staff. That’s not going to be a place anyone who thinks they get special favors by staffing is going to do well in.
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@Colette said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
Maybe one day we’ll have a superhero game not run by abusers
Superheroesmush.com is run by the group of us that split away from HAM’s staff. That’s not going to be a place anyone who thinks they get special favors by staffing is going to do well in.
Apparently this is one that is run by Chaucer? I don’t remember exactly what his deal was but he was known bad actor? Maybe?
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@catzilla
Chaucer is one of the two headwizzes along with myself, on the principle that only one headwiz makes for a staffer who can’t be called on their shit.I’m not sure if “sometimes gets a bit grumpy” counts as being a bad actor? Like anyone who has been around a community for a while there are people who have a personal beef, but that’s it. I wouldn’t take personal beefs too seriously.
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@Colette How about “actively promotes cliquish and exclusionary behavior, like focusing on his one preferred group of players, who get RP while everyone else gets ignored.”
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Good lord, I haven’t heard HAM in a while. But yeah everything stated is true.
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@Starr-Saphyre
I’m not going to get into a big thing here 'cos if he wants to defend himself he can, and to be honest any discussion like this is about 90% likely to devolve into dredging up of ancient dramas over who slighted who in a game I probably never heard of a decade or more ago, which I have zero interest in.Briefly though, perhaps you’re referring to something before I met him though? I dunno.
Every player has other players they tend to gravitate to playing with because they know they get a good scene with those players, but I got to know him on HAM where he was most active in the Titans. A team which had about thirty five members despite that being pretty ridiculous because of a conscious choice to offer opportunities for new players to get involved specifically as a counter to cliquishness elsewhere. So in my experience at least? No.
Is he perfect? Also no. Nobody is. That’s why you have multiple staff making policy decisions.
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lol.
lmao.
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@Colette said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
To be entirely accurate one of the policy disagreements was that some of us felt that HAM was too slow to react to and too willing to overlook “borderline” problematic behaviour from players
Even ignoring everything else - and to be clear, everything else is also bullshit, everybody involved knew UH was run by sex pests and racists and didn’t care until Ruby went from being Claremont’s most virulent mouthpiece to falling out with him, the HAM split was a huge shitfit where Chaucer tried to take over and failed, this is the second or third or fourth game Chaucer has tried to make - making this claim while Vorpal is there is outright comedic.
This is a guy whose entire modern history is being an aggressively misogynistic piece of shit to anyone who disagrees with him and then getting away with it because he’s friends with Chaucer.
And I’ll attest from personal experience that Chaucer plays favorites. He played favorites with me, until I talked back to him. The second I lost his patronage I was persona non grata at HAM. Before that, he’d go over Shakespeare’s head to approve characters I made that she spent days arguing should never be allowed on the grid.
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It’s always great fun when you pivot wildly Vorpal-wards. Wasn’t it you who once dubbed him “Furry Satan made MU*nifest”? That was a classic - I think he had it made into a t-shirt. Do another! The two are not quite so thick as thieves as you seem to think though.
Chaucer wasn’t going over Shakes’ head because Shakes was headwiz, not Chaucer. He fought for characters Shakes didn’t want on the grid all the time, that was because they had fundamental disagreements about what should be allowed, it wasn’t something special you were uniquely getting. Would he fight for a wacky proposal from someone he thought he knew could be trusted with a wacky idea more than for someone with no prior on the game though? Yep. He’s guilty of that, for sure. Every now and then someone totally new the game wanted to app a demon wizard speedster amazon green lantern who could fire ninja stars out of their eyeballs and fart kryptonite, and he didn’t fight very hard for those at all. Shocking.
Oh, and I was on staff. I saw the discussions in the staff channel and the +job exchanges. I know why you were uh… invited to a parting of the ways. You may be missing one or two minor details in your description of events.
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@Colette said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:
It’s always great fun when you pivot wildly Vorpal-wards. Wasn’t it you who once dubbed him “Furry Satan made MU*nifest”?
No, I called him a misogynistic Randian creep because he attacked multiple friends of mine (including one for having the temerity to complain about her insurance after breaking her leg, thus failing to appreciate the sublime perfection of the free market) and lied about a bunch of shit on UH to protect its rep when he was staff there, like when he said the person who went on a protracted homophobic rant wasn’t staff. (He was, of course. And wasn’t he later banned from HAM for going on a protracted racist rant?) ETA: Oh, and of course the time he tried to Power Word me over DMs on MSB, used the wrong name, and then tried to claim autocorrect changed Illyana to “Amanda” when my immediate response was to post a screenshot of him doing so.
My departure from HAM was me leaving because they didn’t do anything about Chaucer’s behavior, then a year later going back to dislodge Raven for like ten hours because I knew they’d kick me off. Like, I literally posted all of it as it happened. Here. (Okay, and going back when Chaucer stormed off to say, “I told you so.”)
You’re welcome to spread any of the lies you’d care to. Bored’d already tried to trot out some of the preferred ones, like all the shit I apparently did on characters I wasn’t playing when they happened, or just on games I wasn’t even on.
For a problem player of such historic proportions, I’ve always found it amusing that I’ve literally never had or caused any problems except on UH and its metastases.
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@Prototart
Didn’t he rather publicly quit staffing on UH over the behavior of some of the other staff? That doesn’t seem like the best way to protect its rep. Before my time though.Calling him Randian is vaguely amusing, but not as good as Furry Satan made MU*nifest. Also far less accurate.
So, you say that you chose to leave HAM, and then you came back specifically to provoke staff into kicking you off the game, and yet the reason you became “persona non grata” is because you lost Chaucer’s “patronage”? Okay.
Sorry to disappoint but I have no idea what your “preferred lies” are or about any characters you may or may not have played on other games, so I couldn’t spread any of those even if I wanted to. I’m not even sure who you played on HAM other than that ten hours of Raven you mention. I know people who’ve said good things about you in the past, so for all I know you were model player everywhere else – but I did read that exchange on HAM.
