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MU Peeves Thread
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@junipersky said in MU Peeves Thread:
Keys main (@L-B-Heuschkel one of the mains?) Admin is on the other side of the world from America!
Is troo. I’m in Denmark (GMT +1).
As for main, we are a triumvirate. XD
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@oknow said in MU Peeves Thread:
Just a little grumbling, allow me to vent a bit.
I’m just tired and sad that since I’m not in the same timezone as most MUers, it really impacts on my ability to enjoy my hobby because no-one is around. I enjoy the collaborative, interactive nature of MUing. I like how anonymous and throwaway MU*ing is.
I understand, I have a job like most people and I’m only around in the evening too. No-one I know rl wants to MU* so I can’t recruit people who are available when I’m available.
I am proactive - I run prps, I try to make rp links and throw out rp hooks. It just bums me out that there is rarely anyone around to do the things I have planned with. I try to set things up only for them to fizzle out or never get off the ground because I can’t schedule with other players.
I can’t get involved in prps or MU* plot because I’m not around when prps or staff run plots take place. I’d love to make certain character types, but since the group I’d be involved with aren’t on when I’m on, there would be no point. At times I just wonder why I bother with my hobby at all. I really don’t know what the solution is. I don’t think there’s any sci-fi Ares-style MU*s that support async rp?
I fully relate to this peeve.
For my part, I’ve come to embrace it. It limits my participation to an extent, but that’s not always a bad thing. I tend to prefer having just a small group of friends on any game instead of feeling torn in every direction.
I’m also a proactive player and there are some pitfalls to that; it’s too easy for me to overextend myself, which ultimately leads to burnout and anxiety about letting people down. And I don’t always have a good time in big party scenes, anyway; it’s often FOMO or a misplaced sense of obligation that compels me to attend the chaos. So being mainly around when it’s quieter, limiting the problem of choice and letting go of a compulsion to jump on everything on offer, helps me.
I don’t mind that there’s extended downtime, either. I tend to multitask while logged in, so if the RP’s slow I can dedicate more time to productive tasks that day instead; no big loss. Alternatively, I can use that time to take care of the “homework” chores of any writing game: the writeups, the wiki edits, the vignettes, the world-building etc.
It’s a more casual approach to the game, but it suits me these days.
One thing I’ll say that I have absolutely zero tolerance for: 90% of events on any game are scheduled at a time that doesn’t suit me. That’s fine, you made it so you get to set the terms. But if I make my own events to try and correct that imbalance for others in timezones compatible to me, I think it’s really very rude for Americans to put up a stink about it. I mean sometimes it’s just a relatable, ‘Aww, I would love to go but I’ll be working.’ Sometimes I can even adjust an hour or two! But when they actively complain about feeling left out or excluded or act like I’m being inconsiderate by creating the 10% of events they can’t go to?
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@Kestrel Oh that is just not on. I’ve never fortunately had anyone kick up a stink about events not being at a convenient time. I’d find it hard not to tell them to get in the sea with that attitude.
I did, hoever, have a long “bUt WHy??? Why not just organise PRPs!?” conversation with someone (not staff) who was US-based when I mooted an org for Euro/daytime USA folks to help us find each other more easily. I was a bit flummoxed by the reaction.
One good thing about being on the wrong timezone for most activity is that I’m never important or available enough for the OOC drama llamas to pay attention to me.
I usually find a core group of 3-6 people who are available when I am. Unfortunately my current one has just lost most people to RL so I’m back to trying to hustle for rp again.
That said, I usually manage to find a couple of people who are available when I am who are generous RPers and for that I’m always grateful.
I hear you with feeling anxious about over extending. I’ve done that currently.
I also get really anxious about asking for prps to be run at my time. I worry that I’m coming across as entitled or something.
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@oknow Somebody already pitched Keys to you so I’m not going to do that. All I’m going to say is that with Ares, running scenes across timezones has become extremely easy compared to how it used to be. So really, for anyone who doesn’t struggle with keeping focus, asynchronous play solves the timezone issue to a large extent.
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@L-B-Heuschkel I hope the new SW game that was mentioned is on Ares…
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@L-B-Heuschkel I really like the fact that you can be apart of scenes from the website on Ares games.
…I just always forget to pose. Until someone reminds me.
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The one problem I’ve encountered on the lone Ares game I’ve played is that people seemed to forget that I was actually in the scene if I didn’t pose every hour. Hopefully, as people have gotten more used to the async nature of it, they’ve mitigated that behaviour somewhat. But there’s nothing as disheartening as waking up and checking out that scene you joined before bed to discover that it’s over and you didn’t really get to participate.
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@Pavel I’ve made statements similar to the players on my game that tend to work more in async scenes. That not everyone is going to reply readily as others will.
I think it’s just a habit, not even a bad habit, just a habit. It’s also been a long time since I did any kind of forum RP, which I associate a lot with those kind of Ares scenes. Reminds me a lot of that.
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That isn’t all that unique to async RP either. All it takes is one or two people with a sparse posing style and a little too much enthusiasm for 3PR to get essentially written out of a scene, which as someone who has always been a ponderous poser is also is real unfun.
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It really doesn’t matter the scene size with the ‘rapid fire’ types. I was in a scene with like me + 2 others and 1 person would respond to every pose plus add ‘filler’ if people don’t pose quick enough. It makes it very difficult to respond to people like that.
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Just a quick vibe check- some of us are definitely people who like to pose short and fast.
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@shit-piss-love said in MU Peeves Thread:
Just a quick vibe check- some of us are definitely people who like to pose short and fast.
Sure, but if you’ve posed five times and I’ve posed once… take a break.
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I’m neither fast or slow of a poser. I just forget to pose when it’s my turn.
I’m a bad person.
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@Pavel said in MU Peeves Thread:
Sure, but if you’ve posed five times and I’ve posed once… take a break.
“If the scene has had 5 total poses over an hour, write less.”
This is why I’m asking for a vibe check. This is a cultural argument that can get way out of hand.
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@Wizz said in MU Peeves Thread:
All it takes is one or two people with a sparse posing style and a little too much enthusiasm for 3PR to get essentially written out of a scene, which as someone who has always been a ponderous poser is also is real unfun.
@shit-piss-love said in MU Peeves Thread:
Just a quick vibe check- some of us are definitely people who like to pose short and fast.
If you’re the one posing every 20 minutes and the rest of us are posing every 5 minutes? You’re gonna get left behind.
If you’re the one posing every 5 minutes and the rest of us are posing every 20 minutes? You’re gonna get ignored.
Read the room, people.
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@shit-piss-love said in MU Peeves Thread:
Just a quick vibe check- some of us are definitely people who like to pose short and fast.
There’s nothing wrong with shorter, punchier poses! I usually try to match the other people in the scene anyway and keep my wordier garbage for one on one stuff. The peeve here is peeps who lack consideration and just bulldoze everyone else aside.
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@KarmaBum In the case of async scenes, how quickly you can pose should be irrelevant. That’s part of the point of doing things asynchronously.
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@KarmaBum said in MU Peeves Thread:
@Wizz said in MU Peeves Thread:
All it takes is one or two people with a sparse posing style and a little too much enthusiasm for 3PR to get essentially written out of a scene, which as someone who has always been a ponderous poser is also is real unfun.
@shit-piss-love said in MU Peeves Thread:
Just a quick vibe check- some of us are definitely people who like to pose short and fast.
If you’re the one posing every 20 minutes and the rest of us are posing every 5 minutes? You’re gonna get left behind.
If you’re the one posing every 5 minutes and the rest of us are posing every 20 minutes? You’re gonna get ignored.
Read the room, people.
Totally. The hobby could use a lot more of this. I like to write a chonker as much as the next person but there’s times when it’s actively detrimental. Like an in-depth conversation about a topic that requires a lot of back and forth discussion. For political games especially this moves so many scenes, that are the meat of the RP I’m there for, outside of the actual game to be resolved entirely OOC and it’s infuriating.
Sometimes this is fine:
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I think its really situation dependent. 1 on 1 or with a small group of posers with roughly the same posing speed, i am ok with most anything. Whether that’s work slow or like 10 minutes to form a pose. (I’ll likely annoy people in the latter bc while I do have strategies to increase my speed, I have some limitations too for processing, so I’m probably more like 10-15 at my rapid fire level).
The difficulty comes for me when a scene is one way and then someone comes in who is on a way different time scale. I tend to fret about not wanting to exclude or be impolite to folks but when I’m in a 15-20 minute for a pose scene and someone wants to join and then is on the more 45-60 minutes rate and there’s just 3 of us i get antsy when its not an asynchronous scene. Same thing honestly when someone wants to come in but then just…lurk…for most of the scene and it only a 3 or 4 person scene in a space where that would be noticeable. There’s nothing wrong with either one, it’s just a preference. But it doesn’t for me feel good when someone hops into a small scene and then just kind of ignores any kind of interaction that I try to have with them or doesn’t engage with anyone at all. I totally get that with large scenes and wallflowering, though.
I’m wordy poser and get embarrassed about it sometimes, but I try to also be respectful or ask if someone minds or is overwhelmed esp in a 2 person scene. I also like to ask about speed bc I find that there isn’t an “expected” one these days and I do really like that. Mostly I want to feel like the person is engaged and having fun, so whatever helps that is great. The worst feeling is when I’m pretty sure the other person is bored and uninterested.
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@KarmaBum said in MU Peeves Thread:
If you’re the one posing every 20 minutes and the rest of us are posing every 5 minutes
I bow out? Not what I was referring to. I have had the pleasure of being in scenes where the ratio was more like their 3 minutes to everyone else’s 7, lol. That is a very specific kind of player and feels pretty deliberate.
