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Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo
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@Ashkuri said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
Obviously Cujo is Cujo, and various Cujo policies/decisions are always inexplicable. The ships, the cargo, the econ, the Stuff, the fairness or lack thereof, the BBpost Metaplot, the… whatever the deal with Aryn/Poe is, this weird “you can come back” moment, etc etc, you can pick on all of it.
I think it’s important to remember, though, that the whole debacle that started this was:
On this game if you are harassed, and particularly if you are harassed by a popular player who appears to generate activity, there is no help for you.
Cujo doesn’t need to be like “guyz you can have your toon back,” Cujo needs to be here saying “I won’t tolerate bad behavior, I’ll take it seriously, this is my house and I’ll keep it clean.”
But that’s never gonna happen, so. Oh well. Super fun time simple, big IC grid awaits, lol.
It’s not just the lack of support for harassment victims, either, though that’s certainly the worst part. Cujo & Company keep trying the same things over and over again and expecting different results. The only result is usually that the policy/code makes players’ lives harder for no good reason.
The code is particularly good at impeding and discouraging RP. Trading and spaceflight code are the most obvious impediments to RP, being time sinks, but the coded injuries and bacta tanks are worse: Spaceflight can eat up a few hours easy, even if you won’t be locked down to have cargo loaded, but bacta tanks can easily take 12 hours or more to work, and cost more than a week’s pay for most PCs. The worst part is that the coded tanks are the only way to heal if there isn’t a healer on, and the healers come and go as often as everyone else after suffering ‘the AoA experience’.
One of the side grids, the one for The Old Republic Era characters, suffered from a lack of healers (and nearly everything else as well). The players there simply added penalties to their rolls when they got injured, commensurate with the injuries suffered. Of course, Cujo would never allow anything that sensible on the main grid, especially with Aryn being a healer. It’s entirely possible that the TOR players simply never told him what they were doing…
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Sometimes we forget that the start of this post was bringing to light the sexual harassment by some of the staff and allowed to happen by Cujo (or perhaps silently encouraged and observed by him if the accusations either in this thread or another location are true.)
I think the events you reference show it’s shows the disfunction and playing players/factions that Cujo and Banshee liked. It made people feel insecure and unsupported on all sides. Which allowed a breeding ground for the deeper problem to spread.
I’m quite sure if you were to talk to Kylo’s player and Oran’s player they would have similar feelings about the event. I’m just guessing but as people were oocly played against one another never knowing their standings with staff. I once encountered a player on another mush that mentioned they didn’t stay on AoA cause Merek was hot shit and how could they compare to him? I think the player had issued with him on another game.
It’s almost like we (the player base) was their own little Sith Academy. They ignored us, until they didn’t to hand out random brutal punishment, or to randomly favor one us for no reason at all. It breed competition, It isolated, and left us to fend for ourselves. If that’s not how you get Sith, then I don’t know what else would do it.
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I played on this game for a long time; in fact, I am the aforementioned jerky second-Kylo, after Banshee. It seemed odd to me that somebody would keep coming back to drag this game over and over again while also clearly having a long history with the game, citing events and posting logs so old that even I was not there for them. I joined this game over 8 years ago and left almost 2 years ago when this first post went up, and almost 2 years later you are still coming here to read people for filth.
I went back over your posting history to try to get a clearer picture of what sort of deep salt might be driving these posts, @Anony-Mouse, and what I’ve read here makes it fairly obvious to me that you are probably one of the few players that was ever actually banned from AoA for sex pest behavior. The character was Sion, a bit that repeatedly, over the course of actual years, posted emits about their pants abruptly coming loose and falling down, exposing their undergarments to the other characters in the room. This was so pervasive that Cujo, a headwiz so clearly uninterested in policing bad behavior, finally was moved to ban the player.
I doubt it is a coincidence that you’ve taken aim at me in these posts, given that I booted Sion’s alt from the First Order faction because of their unremitting OOC negativity. There are a litany of accurate critiques to make about AoA, and many of them are laid out in this thread, but you are not the voice to make them.
The receipts are long. I’ve hidden them in a spoiler tag.
As concisely as I can:
@Anony-Mouse said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:I ran into a few players who did some scavenging on Jakku and dug up an old Imperial assault shuttle that took an engine hit and augered in before it could make its troop drop.
This is a deep cut. One of those characters was Sion. No other character was still playing by the time I was on the game 7 months later. None of them even have character pages. The log from 2016 is still posted: http://www.swaoa-mush.com/wiki/Log:Jakku_Sunrise
@Anony-Mouse said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
I ran into Adhar Gann and his group several times, and they struck me as a good bunch. Adhar really gave a damn about his players and their characters and supported their efforts until RL landed on him, hard.
Sion was a member of the Array Consortium, the group that Adhar ran. The group page still lists her as a member: http://www.swaoa-mush.com/wiki/Array_Consortium
@Anony-Mouse said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
<First Order> Kylo Ren says, “While tbere’s a bunch of you here”
<First Order> Kylo Ren says, “Someone requested we do posts to give orders and objectives and what-not.”
<First Order> Kylo Ren says, “Can you guys not see the motd?”A little background here: Kylo/Banshee was fachead of the First Order, and insisted on doing the faction’s overall plotting.
Here you go into great detail about Banshee-Kylo including pull-quotes from the faction chat you had to be there for, so you are one of the people that played in the First Order (FO) before I did. One of the stormtroopers of that era was Rhona, designator FN-4126. Later, when I was Kylo, Rhona came back, dubbing herself Rhona Darrett as we’d encouraged troopers to use full names by that time. Rhona’s first log as Rhona Darrett is here: http://www.swaoa-mush.com/wiki/Log:First_Order_Rescue_at_Kreis
@Anony-Mouse said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo
When it got to fighting walkers… well, that’s just insane. You wouldn’t stand out in the open and make ‘come and get me’ gestures to a real-life battle tank! Why would you do it to a walker?!
Here you complain about Mandalorian tactics re: fighting “walkers”. Rhona/FN-4126 was a walker pilot, as shown in the log here: http://www.swaoa-mush.com/wiki/Log:First_Order:_Giant_Walking_Tanks
@Anony-Mouse said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
The justification was that the FO didn’t have any pilots, but they actually had several; one of them had been idling in a starfighter cockpit for weeks at that point.
I gather this is a reference to Evie Leven, an FO character that Rhona had a personal relationship with before Rhona was removed from the FO and subsequently joined the Resistance/New Republic under the name Nova Korell; neither Rhona nor Nova ever bothered to create character pages of their own, but it was common knowledge at the time and it’s clear in the first log she comes up in that she was a stormtrooper. http://www.swaoa-mush.com/wiki/Log:Resistance:_Blackrock_Foundation
There is also a log where Nova refers to herself as “Former Sergeant FN-4126” here: http://www.swaoa-mush.com/wiki/Log:Resistance:_Welcome_to_the_Jungle,_Part_1 . Nova was unquestionably the same Rhona from the old days.@Anony-Mouse said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
The only reason they didn’t twink-murder the entire boarding party was because one quick-thinking PC, the only one still standing, got a turbolift door open, guided the two downed PCs inside, and shut the door before they could TK her, too.
And who was this quick-thinking PC? Why, none other than Nova Korell! Log here: http://www.swaoa-mush.com/wiki/Log:Resistance:_Let's_Get_DIrty
How do we know Nova is Sion? According to Cujo, the character’s application listed Sion as her alt.
You paged Cujo with ‘Ex rhona, alt should be listed in her app questions.’
Cujo ( C ) pages: Its listed as Sion.We also have Callax, one of Adhar’s alts, confusing Nova and Sion in this log, because they’re the same player: http://www.swaoa-mush.com/wiki/Log:Resistance:_Axxila_or_Bust_I
“Prepare the laser turret, Flight Officer,” he instructs Sion, then turns back to key the comms.
“Just Nova would be fine…” mutters the Flight Officer,If you want to see some examples of the panty-flashing, AoA is not a game that automatically shares logs, but even still plenty have made it online:
http://www.swaoa-mush.com/wiki/Log:Making_the_Rounds
http://www.swaoa-mush.com/wiki/Log:Array_Consortium:_New_Beginnings
http://www.swaoa-mush.com/wiki/Log:The_Hard_Way,_Pt._3:_Black,_Cheerless,_No_Lace
http://www.swaoa-mush.com/wiki/Log:Array_Consortium:_The_Castle_Breached
http://www.swaoa-mush.com/wiki/Log:Array_Consortium:_Fortification_Plans
http://www.swaoa-mush.com/wiki/Log:A_Small_Rumble_in_Bunker_21Oh, wait. Here’s Nova Korell pulling the same shtick with identical wording. This is not something two people pick up independently.
http://www.swaoa-mush.com/wiki/Log:Resistance:_Spice_Mines_Of_Kessel
And again: http://www.swaoa-mush.com/wiki/Log:House_Holster_Incident
And again: http://www.swaoa-mush.com/wiki/Log:The_Irregulars:_Droid_Search_Pt._1Just ctrl+f ‘athletic briefs’ or ‘powder blue’. There are more logs, all of them public scenes in public areas, and these are just the ones that got posted.
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Message: 7/119 Posted Author
Please Stop: Or You’re Out Mar 24 2021 Cujo==============================================================================
If you are RPing having your pants fall off, or your clothing accidentally coming off to expose your underwear, please stop doing this. This isn’t RP that anyone wants to see happen in PUBLIC RP. I do not care if you do this in private RP with consenting RPers, but you cannot do this in public.Please stop.
If you see this happening in RP, please contact Staff to report it. This is the last warning. I’m so tired of stuff like this. I’m so sick and tired of this kind of thing having to come to ME to deal with it. WE’re all supposed to be adults here, doing mature and adultly RESPONSIBLE things, like, you know… writing Star Wars stories in our fictional headacanon.
KEEP IT IN PRIVATE, or you’re out.
Cujo
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Cujo Commented:
The player who was notorious for this behavior chose not to heed my warning, and has been banned on both of their chars.If you see a re-emergence of this behavior from anyone else, please let Staff know with an RP log attached.
This is a seriously embarrassing behavior.
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The player was Sion/Nova. Here is Sion’s last log, August 7: http://www.swaoa-mush.com/wiki/Log:Mayday!_Mayday!
Here is Nova’s last log, July 23, shortly before: http://www.swaoa-mush.com/wiki/Log:New_Republic:Tyrena-_Floating_the_Auric
TL:DR, the very specific stories and knowledge cited by @Anony-Mouse support the conclusion that they are Rhona/Nova/Sion, one of the few sex pests ever to actually be banned from AoA.
If true, it is really rich to come on this thread with righteous fury given your history.
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i have to admit i find having a ‘poses accidental panty flashing often’ as an rp quirk to fall way below the shit reported here about Cujo. care to comment on the Cujo stuff instead, @Trashcan?
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@Meg
I played Tarion Tavers and Kylo Ren on this game, among a few others. I am the Trashcan previously mentioned in this thread as momentarily having been put on staff. I am one of the people who protested Hadrix being made staff in the same elevation as I and a few others were, which was done without asking us if we actually wanted to be on staff. I stepped down from the staff bit I didn’t ask for, and was banned from all of my bits while I was away on vacation. I’m not sure on the exact timing of when I was banned vs when I resigned but they were all in there together.I’m not sure what else you’re asking other than if I also condemn Cujo’s behavior and of course I do. That’s why I quit the game.
Here’s me resigning:
If that doesn’t answer your question, please let me know.
he/him
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This is part of the larger issue here. There was a pervasive culture of behavior like that on the game. That “rp quirk” was symptom of sex pestery and unwanted, continued harassment that cujo let go on far too long because that was the culture of the game and he couldn’t be bothered. This player was a continued issue for the unwanted “powder blues” - among other behaviors - but had they been popular or one of cujos golden children they’d probably still be on that game. If the poster and the player are the same person then it’s rich that they would come in here to air grievances when they themselves ARE a grievance.
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@Trashcan nice, that does answer my question. thank you.
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@Meg The panty flashing was pervasive, constant, made people uncomfortable, was never relevant to and derailed scenes, was complained about routinely, and whether or not it rises to the level of other complaints it was unwanted, voiced to be unwanted, yet never stopped. I was in several scenes where this player lost their pants where the scene immediately died. It was notorious behavior in that this player had a reputation for it. Bringing your kinks to the public-facing grid is not usually healthy, and it contributes to the sort of community rot that makes the writing experience less fun for those not into it.
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@SpilledBeanz sorry, i have to admit i am probably not the target audience to get worked up about this. sorry that happened to you and all, but it just sounds silly to me, and that may be because i am-- 4 years out from any RP?
but when you have a culture of rot, then is more rot really contributing to it when it starts at the top?
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@Meg said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
but when you have a culture of rot, then is more rot really contributing to it when it starts at the top?
Yes. I’d say any rot deserves to be pointed out from the top all the way down.
I think it needs to be emphasized here that isn’t people being being squeamish about seeing underwear a couple of times. It was clearly a fetish for the player, and it was one that they forced people to be a participant in. Over and over. Consent didn’t matter, stating outright that you do not consent didn’t matter, public, private, event? It didn’t matter. If she was in the scene, you were likely going to be subject to her pants magically coming off and oh my god isn’t this so embarrassing. It isn’t an exaggeration to say that it probably happened on a hundred occasions or more.
If that’s your thing, fine, but these “accidental” scenarios need to happen with people who actively consent OOC to being a participant in it. Most did not, and that did not stop her. Telling her not to do it anymore didn’t stop her. She didn’t care. That was the problem. That deserves to be highlighted.
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@Meg I assure you it was not “silly” when it derailed meaningful RP, due to people simply leaving out of frustration and exasperation. Was it NC-17? No. But it was someone’s personal kink thrown in people’s faces on an at least a weekly (and sometimes daily) basis. If you were active on any grids I’m sure you can see how disruptive that is, even if you personally wouldn’t have minded someone losing their pants in every scene.
AoA is not billed as an ERP game. Most players didn’t play for that reason (at least then, not sure about now tbh). And don’t overlook the fact mentioned above, that this player was banned for the behavior on a game not exactly known for taking these sorts of things seriously.
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@Meg said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@SpilledBeanz sorry, i have to admit i am probably not the target audience to get worked up about this. sorry that happened to you and all, but it just sounds silly to me, and that may be because i am-- 4 years out from any RP?
but when you have a culture of rot, then is more rot really contributing to it when it starts at the top?
It doesn’t really matter how the offense sounds to you as staff; whether you would personally be offended or upset by it, etc. What matters is that behavior is making players uncomfortable enough to complain about it, and the behavior continues despite being told to stop it.
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@Third-Eye As a circle-backer, I can say I was mostly just feeling a creative pull to return to Star Wars and I genuinely do enjoy the coded systems / GM tools they have for storytellers on that game. Though it’s pretty clumsily-implemented, I actually think the space flight / cargo system COULD be really cool to help drive plots. You get to fly around to a bunch of diverse settings, after all.
Though I’ll say the playerbase now has definitely gotten quite small. You can still sort of fly around and if you can find some of the active folks who are fun writers (there are some!) I bet you could get some good small-scale, crew-based stories going. My own efforts to draw folks into little scuffles and Star Wars dust-ups have been met with mixed success, but then, that’s most of telling stories for folks. Sometimes they resonate, sometimes they don’t.
It’s also some of the same morbid curiosity that keeps me checking this thread. This newest revelation that someone might be the infamous panty-poser (I never got to witness this myself) is actually posting IN THIS THREAD is sadly only making me want to come back for more.
Insidious!!!
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do this game got baba yagart in it?
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@scvm actually yes
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omg…
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@Noraaa said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@Third-Eye As a circle-backer, I can say I was mostly just feeling a creative pull to return to Star Wars and I genuinely do enjoy the coded systems / GM tools they have for storytellers on that game. Though it’s pretty clumsily-implemented, I actually think the space flight / cargo system COULD be really cool to help drive plots. You get to fly around to a bunch of diverse settings, after all.
I can’t say I disagree. For all of AoA’s numerous faults, the large amount of automation made GMing easier than any other place I went to. It was easy to jump with an idea without having to consult page 305 about dodging mechanics.
Though I’ll say the playerbase now has definitely gotten quite small. You can still sort of fly around and if you can find some of the active folks who are fun writers (there are some!) I bet you could get some good small-scale, crew-based stories going.
Quite small is a way to put it. Atrophied. Sure, some folks might be active, but the good writers mostly left. Some remained, sure, but most of it is gone. Hex is gone, and he was amazing. Kasia is gone, Adhar is gone. Rheisa, who made Togruta, is gone. Most of the strange elements seem to have departed with their writers.
And as an aside, I think last time the Sith Leaders were on last year. Not sure. My passwords got changed forcibly yesterday.
Ah. And Ship Repair stations linked to an FC now get a discount. Not related to you, but AoA staff wants to make FCs more interesting. Sl, Parmac gets a discount due to Qi’Ra, the Rebellion due to Ray…
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