The Arx Secrets Thread

[kalakh]

@dvoraen Correct.

Oblivion magic does fun things like completely obliterate souls, which makes Death zombie apocalypse levels of angry.

[Rinel]

@sao said in The Arx Secrets Thread:

Relevant on the question of Driskell Stillwater, from the AMA Apostate did (https://play.arxgame.org/dom/cal/detail/7532/)

Apostate says, “Bless Driskell, but one should take everything they said, tie it up into a tastefully decorated package, and then yeet it into the sea. By happenstance they might have said something accurate somewhere in there but I have not yet seen it.”

Huh. I thought they had staff sanction for what they did.

Well, that explains a bit of my perpetual theological confusion, then.

Still called it on that rat bastard 13th tho

[Roz]

@Rinel said in The Arx Secrets Thread:

@sao said in The Arx Secrets Thread:

Relevant on the question of Driskell Stillwater, from the AMA Apostate did (https://play.arxgame.org/dom/cal/detail/7532/)

Apostate says, “Bless Driskell, but one should take everything they said, tie it up into a tastefully decorated package, and then yeet it into the sea. By happenstance they might have said something accurate somewhere in there but I have not yet seen it.”

Huh. I thought they had staff sanction for what they did.

And that’s why that PC type was so shitty and disruptive to the game. It constantly put other players in the position of having to clean up misconceptions and reinforce theme on overdrive, while people angrily insisted that the person was right. So it basically only served to cause confusion and hostility. Same thing happened with Elisha.

Plus, as staff has also mentioned, that character type inevitably also wanted staff to MAKE their weird ideas be secretly correct.

[Rinel]

@Roz said in The Arx Secrets Thread:

Same thing happened with Elisha.

I often wonder whether I took the right path with Elisha–trying to OOC project that the ideas were wrong while ICly treating him with compassion–but I think in the end I come down on “you shouldn’t have had to make that choice.”

I do regret that my misunderstandings of lore frequently caused problems, though I don’t really assign blame to myself or anyone else for miscommunications happening. It’s hard to tear yourself out of misconceptions you’ve managed to fall into.

[sao]

The people spreading IC disinformation that people thought was real were also always, always players with way more energy than me, lol.

[Rinel]

@sao said in The Arx Secrets Thread:

The people spreading IC disinformation that people thought was real were also always, always players with way more energy than me, lol.

i’m sorryyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[sao]

@Rinel I’m not blaming you for THAT. I do think it was a contributing factor to how widespread the issue became because anything that I could do to combat the problem would always be diminished by the fact that some people could rp 12 times while I was rping once or twice a week. Not that I was the only player trying to do the needful there, just. A thing. That happened.

[Rinel]

@sao

I do understand. And over the years I’ve come down on an attitude of “well, I’d do things differently if I did it all again, but that is in the past now.”

Honestly, the big OOC thing I learned from Arx was that sometimes you just need to ping staff and say “look, obviously I as a player confused about some stuff, so can you tell me what I’m doing wrong here?”

ETA: The second big thing was that I learned it’s a benefit for everyone involved to just tell some people you would prefer not to RP with them

[hellfrog]

@Rinel this is absolutely wild.

You were told MORE THAN ONCE by staff that you were wrong about lore. You were told what to do differently if you wanted to play with the Faith.

You were warned that if you kept on perpetuating things that (you knew) were false, you’d probably not be able to play with the Faith and that staff wouldn’t make them include you.

[hellfrog]

@Rinel said in The Arx Secrets Thread:

I do regret that my misunderstandings of lore frequently caused problems, though I don’t really assign blame to myself or anyone else for miscommunications happening. It’s hard to tear yourself out of misconceptions you’ve managed to fall into.

what??

@Rinel said in The Arx Secrets Thread:

@sao said in The Arx Secrets Thread:

Relevant on the question of Driskell Stillwater, from the AMA Apostate did (https://play.arxgame.org/dom/cal/detail/7532/)

Apostate says, “Bless Driskell, but one should take everything they said, tie it up into a tastefully decorated package, and then yeet it into the sea. By happenstance they might have said something accurate somewhere in there but I have not yet seen it.”

Huh. I thought they had staff sanction for what they did.

Well, that explains a bit of my perpetual theological confusion, then.

WHAT??

You could have just - not said anything about this. But instead, you make it seem like you were just confused and no one on staff noticed or took the time to talk to you, and that is just false.

[Duke Whisky]

@Smile said in The Arx Secrets Thread:

That mirrorborn was actually 1/13 of Diamond. Each ring represented a facet (haha) of Diamond, so this one was Diamond’s Callous Indifference To All Other Life. Sorry Templars.

Yeah he was a sweetie that mirrorborn. Was very fortunate that pLianne did a RP session as them and Tino meeting, one of my favourite scenes ever.

Could have had like Diamond’s intolerance to dairy but noooo. Got indifference to all forms of life.

@dvoraen - If I remember right as well, there was a clue where it was discussed what to do with him. There was a side in the clue about not wanting to send him to the Wheel since he could be reborn, and then having to track him down again. At least split into 13 parts, it is a little easier to stop him coming back.

@Quibbler said in The Arx Secrets Thread:

@Duke-Whisky Did Martino mention researching/interest in Fable and working with others on it to Gianna once?

Very likely, there was the group that met in one of the bars to discuss plans about Fable.

@Quibbler said in The Arx Secrets Thread:

I remember thinking, oh, Oswyn would be better for that, I wonder why Martino hasn’t mentioned it to him. And then I thought on it some, like why someone might not want to contact Captain Good Boy Book Nerd about it. And then I was not wholly surprised when the thing with the Mirrorborn and the Archives happened.

Asking the good guy for the books about demons and the abyss is a sure fire way to get an eyebrow or two raised.

“Yeah these are for ‘research’ purposes so I stay reaaaaally safe.”

[Testament]

@Rinel Correct me if I’m wrong but, weren’t you the person that whose character was told by a literal deity that said character’s IC beliefs were actually wrong?

If that wasn’t the biggest flag by staff to say ‘stop doing that’, not sure what is.

[Rinel]

@Testament said in The Arx Secrets Thread:

@Rinel Correct me if I’m wrong but, weren’t you the person that whose character was told by a literal deity that said character’s IC beliefs were actually wrong?

If that wasn’t the biggest flag by staff to say ‘stop doing that’, not sure what is.

All the deities! That was long after the issue had arisen, though. After that, Rinel ended up going, uh… druid-ward. I don’t think she interacted with the Faith much at all after it.

@hellfrog said in The Arx Secrets Thread:

You were told MORE THAN ONCE by staff that you were wrong about lore. You were told what to do differently if you wanted to play with the Faith.

Yeah, but I misinterpreted those as being IC corrections and not OOC ones. ¯\(ツ)/¯

ETA: Staff on Arx absolutely took time to try and fix my misunderstandings. I don’t want to imply they didn’t. The issue, and it was my fault for not going about it this way, was that I struggled to understand what was an IC interaction with motives and what was an OOC truth. What I should have done was ask for OOC clarification more frequently. I usually walked away from those interactions with fewer wrong ideas.

[Roz]

@Rinel said in The Arx Secrets Thread:

@hellfrog said in The Arx Secrets Thread:

You were told MORE THAN ONCE by staff that you were wrong about lore. You were told what to do differently if you wanted to play with the Faith.

Yeah, but I misinterpreted those as being IC corrections and not OOC ones. ¯\(ツ)/¯

buddy. BUDDY.

listen, people would not bring this up if you didn’t keep bringing this up, trying to insist that all the trouble you caused for folk were just silly misunderstandings that couldn’t have been helped. it’s like this weird thing where you bring things up in a “hah hah oops sorry about all that trouble! :3c” sort of way and misrepresenting stuff and kind of putting other people in the position of correcting the representation.

you were given OOC corrections. many times. from early on. a whole series of tehom dogma lore files were written for you. you just didn’t want to give up your interpretations of things. you clearly really liked the story as it had formed in your head, and i get that, and i’m sympathetic to the fact that when you end up in that situation, it’s hard to let go. but the issue you had wasn’t the moments of ignorance: it was that you did not change when given correction. and that became the problem of a number of other people to have to continually deal with.

i would say that the lesson you should take away isn’t that you should reach out earlier to staff about confusion. (not that you SHOULDN’T, i think that’s a good habit for everyone.) it’s that you should listen to and internalize the corrections, and learn to adjust course.

[Rinel]

@Roz

I honestly don’t even remember exactly what I had wrong about the gods, because there’s been a lot of stuff that’s happened since then and my memory is particularly terrible these days. So I can’t argue with anything you’ve said! I don’t remember OOC corrections, but I also don’t remember a lot of things much more recent than that (I don’t even remember my password; I wanted to go look at some of her black journals yesterday and couldn’t), so I’ll accept the remonstrance.

I do remember being very upset and confused at accusations of purposefully misrepresenting lore when I thought I was doing my best to puzzle it out, so I know that there was some level of miscommunication happening. But I think your statement about the correct takeaway is a wise one.

ETA: I really am very sorry for all the people who had to spend time and effort cleaning up in my wake, especially given the info I’ve been given in this thread about my ignoring obvious attempts to course correct my being wrong.

ETATA: Also sorry about derailing this thread! Let’s get back to secrets. I’m happy to have a separate “correcting Rinel’s misrepresentations” thread if we need one.

[Wizz]

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[Rinel]

ANYWAY

GETTING BACK TO ARX SECRETS

How evil was the Inquisition? I heard gossip.

[sao]

@Rinel ACAB but we weren’t particularly evil by the end. Idle, maybe. Evil, nah.

Faye had the best named weapons on the game.

[watno]

As a secret member of the Inquisition, I can definitively say it was disappointingly not evil.

[Rinel]

Man. I got told by someone that there were geases being handed out left and right.

I am disappointed that this was not the case