City of Glass - Discussion

[Tributary]

@Snackness So I was curious about some of the time stamps, and it starts spinning hilarious. Me all not looking for a relationship. Me not being clingy or pushy. Me treating it all casual. Him insisting he won’t go to the event. Him informing me that it’s just not his thing. Him ‘relenting’ to the alleged torrent of pages inviting him. Me oblivious because I haven’t said anything to him for over an hour.

268. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  3:26pm] Royal says, "Would you be looking for a rave date? "
269. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  3:33pm] Aubrey says, "Nah, but if we end up at the rave together, fun."
270. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  3:35pm] Royal says, "Nah?  Mm.  Alright."
271. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  3:36pm] Aubrey says, "I mean, we're having a good time, sure."
272. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  3:37pm] Royal says, "But?  😛"
273. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  3:41pm] Aubrey says, "I don't think we've established any sort of relationship..."
274. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  3:41pm] Aubrey says, "Well. Pending relationship. That's established."
275. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  3:41pm] Aubrey says, "But it's all brand new!"
276. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  3:41pm] Royal says, "Ah.  "
277. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  3:42pm] Aubrey says, "I think we ICly need time to figure out where we want to go."
278. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  3:43pm] Royal says, "No worries, didn't mean to seem pushy.  Whatever you like!"
279. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  3:49pm] Royal hopes you have a blast!  It's definitely gonna be a-buzzin'
280. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  3:49pm] Aubrey says, "You're not going?"
281. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  3:50pm] Royal says, "Hell no lmao.  It's significantly larger than my preferences, I was only going to attend to hang out with you or Lucene."
282. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  3:54pm] Royal says, "I ain't even gonna pretend I got the bandwidth to feign interest in ~20 strangers"
283. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  3:59pm] Royal says, "Kudos to people who can manage that, but I just completely brain-off when scenes reach a spam threshold."
284. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  4:42pm] Royal keeps getting invited now through pages.  "Jesus, I get stood up and it's like an echo through the Force."
285. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  4:44pm] Royal says, "Whatever, fine, I don't have the heart to tell people no when they say they want me lmao.  I'll peek in for a bit, at least.  There's a confessional, I can do a fancy priest outfit."
286. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  4:53pm] Aubrey says, "Sorry, I was trying to pose in between doing cargo in Star Citizen."

Note: it is approximately 15 minutes later by timestamps when Aubrey tells Raphael that he is hot and they start flirting.

9 minutes after that, Royal poses in, a day late and a dollar short.

He then snubs her ICly and starts paging me to complain that I’m RPing with someone else. At that point, I internally debate whether to explain normal human interactions, and how the only healthy response Aubrey could have to being snubbed was to write Royal off completely as an asshole not worth her time, and decide, nah, the player is supposedly an adult and surely this reaction is obvious. Also ain’t nobody got time for that.

He dropped himself from the scene but was clearly stewing on it, because about 20 minutes after leaving, he started paging me again about how the scene was too big and how he didn’t understand how anyone liked that sort of thing, etc. And I don’t respond. Because I am liking that sort of thing and having a good time.

And then this:

304. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  6:35pm] Royal says, "BTW -- nothing personal, but I think I'd prefer Aubrey and Royal not get closer.  I'm feeling a little slighted, tbh.  Not gonna make that your problem, it's mine, but wanted to be frank."
305. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  6:36pm] Aubrey says, "That's cool. I just didn't want to rush into anything. I'm still feeling out the game, you know?"
306. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  6:37pm] Royal says, "Totally fair.  But I'm still pretty put off by this whole thing tonight.  Getting invited only to have Aubrey throw herself at Raph was pretty much an instant killer for seeing where they might go."
307. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  6:37pm] Royal says, "I wish you the best, though!  Like I said, it's my problem, not yours."
308. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  6:39pm] Aubrey says, "You said you weren't coming, and I just continued the IC interaction. It's not like she's his girlfriend or anything. They had good chemistry. It was fun.  But he also seemed to make a point of snubbing her, so whatever."
309. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  6:39pm] Royal says, "Yes, he snubbed her because she was with another man."
310. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  6:40pm] Aubrey says, "Cool. Guess girl dodged a bullet IC, eh?"
311. [Sun Feb 25, 2024  6:41pm] Royal says, "That's for you to decide!  I don't think I'm being unreasonable.  I'm also trying to be polite about it."

Hoo, boy! Look at me chase him! Look at me demand that IC relationship! Look at me get big mad!

%% Thank you.  The conversation has been reported to the admins.
<PM> (to Aubrey) Royal says, "I am genuinely sorry if it upsets you.  It's just not a vibe I'm into.  "

Note: here I am puzzled that he thinks I am upset and also unsure what vibe he is talking about, as I am fairly certain his character has plenty of attention.

It took me 3 minutes, give or take, to submit the PM log, and then it took @Tez approximately 8 minutes to ban the manipulative asshole.

I am amused that I was largely oblivious to his manipulation efforts until I went back and looked at them all together with helpful timestamps. Also, don’t creep on me because I will post receipts.

More thanks to @Faraday for making it so easy to submit PM logs on Ares to admins!

[Apos]

I’m feeling a little slighted, tbh.
I’m still pretty put off by this whole thing tonight.

and another thing: im not mad. please dont put in the mu message board that i got mad.

[Tributary]

@Apos said in City of Glass - Discussion:

I’m feeling a little slighted, tbh.
I’m still pretty put off by this whole thing tonight.

I… had to check again to see what I’d posted because for a moment I thought you were actually quoting him.

You may recall that I put in my original post that an old mu friend of mine (from Ithir) messaged me on Discord saying that her boyfriend had been banned from CoG and that she was puzzled because none of the behavior he attributed to me was part of her experience with me (like 5 years ago!).

Here’s what he told me:

Shamash — Today at 18:10
fucking gross
I actually feel, like, vaguely violated.
This is new.

Shamash — Today at 18:13
I told a player on that game I didn’t want our PCs to continue seeing one another because said PC was also seeing other men. I was not rude. I didn’t slut-shame. I literally just said “I wish you the best, but it’s not my vibe, I’m genuinely sorry if it upsets you.”
I got banned for “bad vibes”.
I was punished, by what I must now assume is a staff alt, for telling them no to a relationship

Shamash — Today at 18:15
I could get a ban for bad behavior. But damn, this is just gross

Shamash — Today at 20:00
It’s just so angering. The idea I was punished for not giving someone what they want.
Like they were entitled to me pursuing them IC.
ugh. Hour later and it’s still rubbing me wrong. Like grease on my skin.

(Timestamps hers. Also, girl, find another man. This one is a lying manipulative sack of shit.)

[NotSanni]

@Tributary said in City of Glass - Discussion:

@Apos said in City of Glass - Discussion:

I’m feeling a little slighted, tbh.
I’m still pretty put off by this whole thing tonight.

I… had to check again to see what I’d posted because for a moment I thought you were actually quoting him.

You may recall that I put in my original post that an old mu friend of mine (from Ithir) messaged me on Discord saying that her boyfriend had been banned from CoG and that she was puzzled because none of the behavior he attributed to me was part of her experience with me (like 5 years ago!).

Here’s what he told me:

Shamash — Today at 18:10
fucking gross
I actually feel, like, vaguely violated.
This is new.

Shamash — Today at 18:13
I told a player on that game I didn’t want our PCs to continue seeing one another because said PC was also seeing other men. I was not rude. I didn’t slut-shame. I literally just said “I wish you the best, but it’s not my vibe, I’m genuinely sorry if it upsets you.”
I got banned for “bad vibes”.
I was punished, by what I must now assume is a staff alt, for telling them no to a relationship

Shamash — Today at 18:15
I could get a ban for bad behavior. But damn, this is just gross

Shamash — Today at 20:00
It’s just so angering. The idea I was punished for not giving someone what they want.
Like they were entitled to me pursuing them IC.
ugh. Hour later and it’s still rubbing me wrong. Like grease on my skin.

(Timestamps hers. Also, girl, find another man. This one is a lying manipulative sack of shit.)

someone using the name Shamash (shamash4264) got banned from the r/mud discord for being a dick within like a week or less of joining (he was also a raging, callous fascist) - dunno if it’s the same one, but the name struck me as memorable!

[Roz]

He also talked on public channels about having been on Arx for a bit and writing/founding the Crovane house, which would have made him Somhairle, who quit in early Arx days after yelling about free speech and Apos being an asshole for telling folks not to talk shit about other PCs on channel.

[catzilla]

In spite of the few OOC creepies on the server…

Most players and characters are pretty awesome. Plenty of RP to be found DAILY. Cool people all around!

Best WoD/CofD I’ve been on in awhile!

[OnceWas]

While I had some stumbling blocks in chargen, that’s mostly on me; it’s a pretty sweet design, although I’m used to very different systems - not being tied intrinsically to the wiki, for example, which I think is pretty damned cool.

So far, after about a two hour, thirty-minute process, I came up with a good concept and was able to touch base with a responsive, friendly, and approachable Staffer (hi, Crow!) and a fellow player whom I am very happy to see again, which is some positive buzz, by my own metrics.

8/10, am considering an alt already.

[Tributary]

@catzilla said in City of Glass - Discussion:

In spite of the few OOC creepies on the server…

Fewer now!

[Tez]

Split off some of the discussion of the recent ban at a poster’s request to its own thread:

https://brandmuday.mythicus.net/topic/477/royal-paynes

[OnceWas]

Minus one Michelin star for “unclear help file” work.

If a system is supposed to work a specific way, say it is supposed to work that way. If it isn’t, update a file or something, maybe?

[Snackness]

@OnceWas No need to be rude about it tho

[OnceWas]

@Snackness The intention wasn’t to be rude; it’s to try to make it, if possible, something funny. It’s easier to make it a joke than an insult if I plan to stay, which I do. Weird as it sounds, I like the place. What I don’t like is bad documentation; it’s used to create problems for players much easier than it’s ever addressed - looking at you, The Reach, yes, I am. When players are worth those extra five minutes’ time, we feel we’re more valued. When they’re not, that’s not often a great sign. Hence, a tone of concern was also a feature.

[Pavel]

@OnceWas As has already been explained to you, the help files explain what commands do. Not the policy on their use. Going onto a Pennmush game and typing help @dig does the same thing, whether you can @dig or not.

Intentional or not, complaining here while this is being explained on the game is a touch on the rude side.

[spiriferida]

@OnceWas said in City of Glass - Discussion:

The intention wasn’t to be rude; it’s to try to make it, if possible, something funny. It’s easier to make it a joke than an insult if I plan to stay, which I do

Which part was the joke? Because it seems like it did not land.

ETA: joking when you’re making a complaint actually has a higher quotient of coming off as an asshole, because it can make a comment sound passive aggressive instead of lighthearted

[OnceWas]

@Pavel The phrase used was “lack of clarity”.

It’s not a case of “you didn’t use form J-11, the orange one” it’s a question of “we use telepathic turtles, not paperwork”. That’s not a lack of clarity. Then someone else adds on that I’m apparently illiterate, saying that the help file I’m looking at is most definitely not saying what they’re seeing - I provide a link to them, suddenly I’m being rude.

Of course, them not citing their source, that’s… uh. Well, let’s focus on six people telling me I’m wrong, so I can be wrong six times in a row, okay?

I said the documentation wasn’t clear. It’s not clear. The documentation I said didn’t contain any mention of admin being required did not make mention of admin being required. Those aren’t opinions. They’re details.

[Pavel]

@OnceWas said in City of Glass - Discussion:

Of course, them not citing their source, that’s… uh

That was me. And I did ‘cite my source’.

"
<Questions> Percival (@Tinuviel) says, “It’s literally the first line.”
<Questions> Percival (@Tinuviel) says, “help build: Permission Required: These commands require the Admin role or the build permission.”

"

Emphasis mine and not from the original.

The fact that the file you mentioned is in the “~admin~” section might have given you a clue, too.

[OnceWas]

https://cityofglass.aresmush.com/help/building_tutorial
CTL-F results of “admin”: 2.
Any mentions made of “required admin powers or roles”? No.

Hm.
Sorry, how did I arrive at this link? Let’s examine.

[Pavel]

@OnceWas

Typing “help build”

Leads to this:

https://cityofglass.aresmush.com/help/building

First Line:

“Permission Required: These commands require the Admin role or the build permission.”

[OnceWas]

@Pavel
Weird.
So, following my link, uh… any “different” outcome, maybe?

[Pavel]

@OnceWas Not really. You’re still being rude trying to be ‘funny’ here while staff is trying to explain that help files describe commands not policy.