MU Peeves Thread
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@Faraday said in MU Peeves Thread:
@Third-Eye said in MU Peeves Thread:
I feel like games have to do more expectation management about this with players and I’m not sure what the best way to do that is. Beyond clearly stating whether real-time or async play is the norm/what’s done by GMs in staff scenes, but it takes a while to internalize that even if people read it.
I don’t really see why this is on the games or game-runners.
Players just need to communicate. If you like live, quick scenes - say so. Find like-minded players on the game. If there aren’t any, that’s probably not the right game for you.
It’s no different than people liking different kinds of RP. If the majority of players on a particular game like big bar scenes and I prefer one-on-one, that’s not a problem with the game - let alone the game server.
Definitely not a problem with the game! I think what @Third-Eye was talking about wasn’t so much forcing the game to be the right one for everyone, but helping to establish what a game considers its own culture and default expectations. Not to exclude everything else, but to help manage communal expectations around “hey what’s the overall norm around this particular game,” because if you know the baseline expectations of a community, it makes individual communication around those expectations easier and smoother. Because, from various experiences over the years, sometimes people are defining even the same words differently, and it’s not necessarily things people would expect to need to clarify. So I do think having baseline default expectations for a game can be helpful and beneficial.
And, tbh, it seems moreso like something that benefits staff, rather than labor they’re doing just for the playerbase. If you have a staff who largely want to RP async, you’re gonna want a culture that supports it, and vice versa. I definitely see live scenes and async scenes on pretty much every game, but the ratios can vary widely based on that particular game’s culture.
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@Roz said in MU Peeves Thread:
but the ratios can vary widely based on that particular game’s culture.
We just see it differently is all.
I think the ratios vary wildly based on the individual preferences of the individual players.
As a game runner, I might say “I mostly run plots on evenings EST.” Or “if you don’t play a pilot or a marine you’re going to have a hard time working yourself into the big action scenes I run.” Or “big events are mostly live/synchronous because I don’t want to drag them out.” I don’t personally see any of that as the “culture” of a game. It’s just logistics.
The game could be enjoyed equally well by a handful of like-minded players who meet up for synchronous RP on Euro time, or a handful of like-minded players who start their own hospital drama in the medbay, or a handful of like-minded players who do asynch scenes stretching over a week, or a couple of like-minded players who just show up for their small group interpersonal drama.
The key in all of that being “a handful of like-minded players.”
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@Faraday said in MU Peeves Thread:
@Roz said in MU Peeves Thread:
but the ratios can vary widely based on that particular game’s culture.
We just see it differently is all.
I think the ratios vary wildly based on the individual preferences of the individual players.
The preferences of the individual players dictates what games they stick around. Like you said earlier, if a game most largely tends to have one type of scene pacing, those who prefer others will tend to move on, as it’s not the game for them. The players who stick around on a game define the game’s culture with their preferences.
So it can behoove a game runner to cultivate the overall culture they want to encourage in their game.
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@Roz said in MU Peeves Thread:
So it can behoove a game runner to cultivate the overall culture they want to encourage in their game.
I think we’re mostly on the same page and just splitting hairs over wording.
If a game is mostly run in EST and you’re in Euro time, it’s going to be hard for you to find RP and that’s probably not the right game for you. I personally don’t consider that the “culture” of the game. Mostly because it could change on a dime if just a couple of Euro players turn up and suddenly it’s easier to find RP.
That said, I understand your point, and apart from quibbles over terminology I largely agree.
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@Faraday said in MU Peeves Thread:
@Roz said in MU Peeves Thread:
So it can behoove a game runner to cultivate the overall culture they want to encourage in their game.
I think we’re mostly on the same page and just splitting hairs over wording.
If a game is mostly run in EST and you’re in Euro time, it’s going to be hard for you to find RP and that’s probably not the right game for you. I personally don’t consider that the “culture” of the game. Mostly because it could change on a dime if just a couple of Euro players turn up and suddenly it’s easier to find RP.
That said, I understand your point, and apart from quibbles over terminology I largely agree.
Wouldn’t be a forum conversation without quibbling over semantics!
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@Roz said in MU Peeves Thread:
@Faraday said in MU Peeves Thread:
@Roz said in MU Peeves Thread:
So it can behoove a game runner to cultivate the overall culture they want to encourage in their game.
I think we’re mostly on the same page and just splitting hairs over wording.
If a game is mostly run in EST and you’re in Euro time, it’s going to be hard for you to find RP and that’s probably not the right game for you. I personally don’t consider that the “culture” of the game. Mostly because it could change on a dime if just a couple of Euro players turn up and suddenly it’s easier to find RP.
That said, I understand your point, and apart from quibbles over terminology I largely agree.
Wouldn’t be a forum conversation without quibbling over semantics!
You rang?
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My brain won’t shut the fuck up and let me sleep, but it’s also so fried that I’m not using any of that stolen sleep time to do anything I actually want to do. A month where I’m losing a full night every three days-ish is not cool and I would like to speak to the manager and get a refund on this brain, it’s clearly defective.
Anyhow, it gets in the way of RP related things and I don’t like it.
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@kalakh Also, me on any building request:
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Player X decided my character looks like a certain porn star and decided to bring that to my friend, Player A. “This porn star looks like (me) amirite haha”
Is it wildly inappropriate for X to be doing that to me/to Player A, or am I being over sensitive?
I don’t want to be discussed in a porn context, what the fuck.
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@imstillhere No that’s gross
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@imstillhere said in MU Peeves Thread:
Player X decided my character looks like a certain porn star and decided to bring that to my friend, Player A. “This porn star looks like (me) amirite haha”
Is it wildly inappropriate for X to be doing that to me/to Player A, or am I being over sensitive?
I don’t want to be discussed in a porn context, what the fuck.
WHAT
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@imstillhere said in MU Peeves Thread:
Player X decided my character looks like a certain porn star and decided to bring that to my friend, Player A. “This porn star looks like (me) amirite haha”
Is it wildly inappropriate for X to be doing that to me/to Player A, or am I being over sensitive?
I don’t want to be discussed in a porn context, what the fuck.
If you weren’t using a porn star as a played-by, then no. No, not appropriate.
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@imstillhere said in MU Peeves Thread:
@tsar Literally player X was like “This is him right hahaha”
NO
NO IT IS NOT???
oh my god
no
do not pass go
do not collect $200
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@imstillhere said in MU Peeves Thread:
@tsar Literally player X was like “This is him right hahaha”
Why are people this? Can they not be people?
(this is super weird)
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@imstillhere
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@Tributary said in MU Peeves Thread:
@imstillhere said in MU Peeves Thread:
Player X decided my character looks like a certain porn star and decided to bring that to my friend, Player A. “This porn star looks like (me) amirite haha”
Is it wildly inappropriate for X to be doing that to me/to Player A, or am I being over sensitive?
I don’t want to be discussed in a porn context, what the fuck.
If you weren’t using a porn star as a played-by, then no. No, not appropriate.
Next game I’m using Johnny Sins as a PB.
And far more seriously. That’s in terrible taste @imstillhere which really sucks. And kind of, no is really weird.
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Maybe I’m just getting old and grumpy but that is inappropriate yes, but imo it is also weird that was shared with you without a “and then I told them I thought that was gross and inappropriate to say out of the blue.” And preferably a “I also reported it.”
This is mostly grumpiness though because I also don’t think anyone should be shamed for not reporting really. Its just that ime tale bearers who don’t also speak up tend to get something out of it thats no good or may be running a game of their own.
Maybe its like if the effort is made to tell the target of that weirdness hopefully the targeted was also told dude thats not cool. But hopefully they did! Its a way that can sometimes get creepers to leave you alone when you turn around and critique their attempt to mock/critique someone else to you.
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@mietze I’m with you, here. If someone came to me about one of my friend’s character’s looking like a porn star I would probably like ‘yo that’s gross stop it or I’ll report you to staff’.
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@Cobalt and also “why the fuck are you telling ME this?” too!!!
But again, i’m deep in grumpyland tonight. I think a soft majority of times I’ve ever had anyone out of the blue say “so and so is saying this weird thing about you.” and leave it at that–they were full of shit and trying to play people off each other, telling each of them the other was saying crazy things about the other one.
But most of the time it’s probably not like that.