MU Peeves Thread
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AI is ruining this hobby. That’s my gripe. It’s ruining my respect for players, staff, my interest in games, my desire to RP. I see old friends whose original writing I’ve always enjoyed, flaunting AI use in a way that makes me feel like they must have never even appreciated their own talent as much as I did. I see promising games lose all promise the second I step on grid and see a sea of AI slop. And I see younger generation, newer players defending it in a way that makes me feel like the future of this hobby is just dead for me, an old fogey whose love of authentic human creativity, warts and all, makes me old-fashioned.
I hate it. I hate it on a spiritual and existential level.
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@Kestrel I would upvote this more than once if I could
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@Kestrel Honestly of all the reasons people have claimed that this hobby is dying, I think use of AI might be the thing that finally does kill it.
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@Pavel Soooo, I haven’t been on any MU*s for like half a decade. Are…are people doing that? That seems…pointless. “Hey, let’s play basketball. But instead of us, let’s have robots play against each other while we do something else.” Writing is the whole point
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@Ominous Some games are apparently using it to write theme, some people are apparently using it to ‘help’ write poses. If things keep going that route, soon enough it’ll just be LLMs ‘talking’ to each other in the dark.
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@Pavel Let’s name the phenomenon Dead Telnet Theory.
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@Pavel said in MU Peeves Thread:
@Ominous Some games are apparently using it to write theme, some people are apparently using it to ‘help’ write poses. If things keep going that route, soon enough it’ll just be LLMs ‘talking’ to each other in the dark.
A ton of places seem to be using it to do grid descs
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@Prototart what ever happened to bribing players with XP for desc work?!?
Mummy Pun? MUMMY PUN!
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@Jennkryst said in MU Peeves Thread:
@Prototart what ever happened to bribing players with XP for desc work?!?
i could’ve been bribed for it and never even asked???
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@Prototart said in MU Peeves Thread:
@Jennkryst said in MU Peeves Thread:
@Prototart what ever happened to bribing players with XP for desc work?!?
i could’ve been bribed for it and never even asked???
Will pay XP for descs on game, just as soon as we finish kidnapping the coder to make +sheet and +roll and such.
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@Prototart said in MU Peeves Thread:
@Pavel said in MU Peeves Thread:
@Ominous Some games are apparently using it to write theme, some people are apparently using it to ‘help’ write poses. If things keep going that route, soon enough it’ll just be LLMs ‘talking’ to each other in the dark.
A ton of places seem to be using it to do grid descs
That’s not a surprise. I, too, hate writing so many things that will only maybe get read.
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@Jennkryst said in MU Peeves Thread:
@Prototart what ever happened to bribing players with XP for desc work?!?
Perverse incentives are a big part of why we have an AI slop problem in this hobby.
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I’ve always despised writing descs. That said I’d rather slap on a half sentence and call it a day, than use AI.
Unless a game demanded I write more. At that point, I could be tempted.
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@lordbelh Pick a pic, describe the pic, wheee
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@Jennkryst said in MU Peeves Thread:
@lordbelh Pick a pic, describe the pic, wheee
I still don’t even know where to start for describing hair styles, facial features — what constitutes “angular” that I’ve seen in writing? — let alone clothing intricacies. It’s not for lack of trying; I just have nfc how people know this stuff.
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And it’s getting harder to find good context for verbally describing things especially hairstyles when the internet is full of AI slop. Try looking up a medium chunky bob right now and see how many different visuals that can mean, because the infrastructure is aimed at gathering as much traffic as possible and not at being actually receptive to the specific meaning of words.
There are some writing resources out there for facial features, clothes, hair, but they’re getting harder to find. Maybe we could start a sort of library for it.
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Personally I use ai now for character portraits, i give my parameters, hair, eye color, skin tone and style then write a description based on whichever image looks best. It helps me feel less icky about picking rl people as inspiration/pbs.
Also honestly if a mu is using ai to describe rooms that’s fine by me. Whatever makes the process of grid building and therefore game building just a bit easier. That’s why players used to be asked to do it, and there’s not a whole lot of people reading them anyway. I’d rather they focus their attention on rules and theme of a game any day.
AI theme and poses are a bit more concerning since those things really require some sort of personal touch otherwise why not just rp with ai… there’s all kinds of stories about people doing so and even falling in love. (I’m not calling this wrong with this because people should be allowed to love how they want if there are no direct victims. Just noting it happens. It happens in mushing too but thats a different barrel of monkeys.)
