Re: Dies Irae
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@Pavel said in Re: Dies Irae:
@somasatori said in Re: Dies Irae:
My general fatal flaw in both personal and professional life is that I take on too many projects at once, am terrible at delegation, and then get very stressed out as I inevitably fall behind
Go do your case notes.
You’re not my supervisor!
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Then there was Scylla’s complete inability to, you know, understand Werewolf at all. Jesus christ her philodox npc made me cry at how bad at it she was. Though I’m pretty sure half of it was just how conflict averse the whole thing was. Especially since a scene with my pack, where we clearly were in the right, devolved into an ooc discussion that made me just quit the fucking game because of how badly she ran that shit.
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@Popes said in Re: Dies Irae:
Then there was Scylla’s complete inability to, you know, understand Werewolf at all. Jesus christ her philodox npc made me cry at how bad at it she was. Though I’m pretty sure half of it was just how conflict averse the whole thing was. Especially since a scene with my pack, where we clearly were in the right, devolved into an ooc discussion that made me just quit the fucking game because of how badly she ran that shit.
I’m remembering the bug report from Scylla where I was told that
Roll> You roll Rage (1) -1 (Health Penalty) vs 6 => (0) Successes
Warning: Health penalties have reduced your dice pool to 0.^ If you are injured via +hurt it applies the negative modifier to everything, not just the physical rolls. Not sure if this is intentional?
which spun me. No shame to people who aren’t good with mechanics, but if you’re the lead staffer for a group that’s super combat-heavy like Werewolf, you probably should have a basic understanding of how health works.
This led to me revamping dice to include an option to ignore health penalties, such as in the case of spending a WP to ignore them and in reflexive actions like what’s mentioned in the book text, so it wasn’t all bad, but good lord.
Edit: for those not aware, on pg. 254 of Werewolf the Apocalypse, it says: “The Health chart shows your current dice penalty. As your character takes more and more damage, it’s increasingly difficulty to perform even the simplest of tasks. The dice penalty is subtracted from your dice pool for every action (except reflexive actions such as soak) until the wound heals. The penalty also impairs your character’s movement.”
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@Popes said in Re: Dies Irae:
Then there was Scylla’s complete inability to, you know, understand Werewolf at all. Jesus christ her philodox npc made me cry at how bad at it she was. Though I’m pretty sure half of it was just how conflict averse the whole thing was. Especially since a scene with my pack, where we clearly were in the right, devolved into an ooc discussion that made me just quit the fucking game because of how badly she ran that shit.
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I tried to make my Pumonca work, but the place just kept losing players and losing steam with it. It’s a shame, I’d love a place to play a cougar-man long term.
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Speaking of theme and whatnot, one of the first big plots for Werewolf which kicked off shortly before and concluded shortly after I left in May was this one where the Sept and a lot of Changing Breeds went to Malfeas to fight a monstrous entity. This is such a funny plot point to me because one of the more consistent reasons why people were denied characters is because Dies Irae was intended to be “low-powered.” Aside from that, werewolves and their Gaian allies descending on the spiritual lair of the Wyrm itself feels like it would be the endgame of a long-running chronicle, not something that (at most) characters people spent around 4 months playing would head off to do.
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@somasatori I got big chunks of Renown for doing that, but I had to come up with tiny reasons to eke out any more. Never even got another Perm Renown.
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@labsunlimited said in Re: Dies Irae:
@somasatori I got big chunks of Renown for doing that, but I had to come up with tiny reasons to eke out any more. Never even got another Perm Renown.
Right! It’s like, how the hell are you supposed to top that? You peaked in (shifter) high school, my friend!
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@Popes said in Re: Dies Irae:
Then there was Scylla’s complete inability to, you know, understand Werewolf at all. Jesus christ her philodox npc made me cry at how bad at it she was. Though I’m pretty sure half of it was just how conflict averse the whole thing was. Especially since a scene with my pack, where we clearly were in the right, devolved into an ooc discussion that made me just quit the fucking game because of how badly she ran that shit.
She was even worse with Fera. Like, she didn’t get any of it at all and was totally uninterested in learning OR in working with anyone who DID know and was willing to help her
Like by the time I stopped paying attention the only thing she wanted for the Wyrm sphere was exclusively the narrow, totally unworkable as PCs one-page write up “corrupt fera” from Wyrm 20th. Except Ananasi, where she wanted the insanely racist Sinister Asians Kumo.
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There was also the whole thing with the Rokea Homid Kinfolk PC. They didn’t need to run her off, but I think she was involved with the City of Hope drama that was aforementioned.
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@labsunlimited said in Re: Dies Irae:
There was also the whole thing with the Rokea Homid Kinfolk PC. They didn’t need to run her off, but I think she was involved with the City of Hope drama that was aforementioned.
She was effectively harmless, like was I annoyed that her entire BG was obviously written by AI (including some copy/pasted prompts) and she seemed deeply unaware of the Rokea in general? yes. Was I also super burnt out laboring under the 130+ bug tickets that Scylla said were critical bugs while also being grilled about where my wiki writeups were for the Ratkin, Ananasi, three specific tribes, and the Mokole? yes. Did that contribute to me being like “aw, you can go TS that’s fine. have fun!”? possibly.
Except Ananasi, where she wanted the insanely racist Sinister Asians Kumo.
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The tl’dr is that my PC, the burn out gifted kid pure breed 5 shadow lord philodox was tasked to sit in on a meeting between a packmate ahroun black fury, and the douchebag, newly fostern shadow lord philodox regarding a black fury PC cub’s education. It went about as well as one could expect. (Poorly. There was some player drama from elsewhere involved. (I love my packmates from that game, the shit that player said is all of it lies and slander and I see them on this board. You fucking know who you are.)
So I put the +job in reporting, and Scylla demanded a scene over it with all of the parties save the cub. So we went, and this guy would not fucking sit down, demanding ‘due respect’ as a fostern from a bunch of cliath. Which, to those who don’t know, is basically the college freshman telling the high school seniors to shut up and do what he says. It doesn’t work like Scylla and that fuckwad think it does. Until someone’s ass gets beat, but that’s Werewolf.
The scene went, then we started talking and, like, trying to have a productive conversation with Scylla about, you know, how Werewolf works and why we think she adjudicated incorrectly. I put my whole ass on the line, having played an Elder Philodox in a goddamn NATIONAL LARP ORG, and never losing my seat, which means I know I was doing something right because my sheet was total ass. Things got a little heated, and I just was like ‘Fuck this. You have more interest in sucking the male PC’s dick rather than listening to sense from three female PCs’ in more polite terms, then logged off and never logged in again.
Also, her ideas about how Pure Breed worked were really eugenicist and creepy in hindsight.
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I wasn’t there for that so I won’t comment, but it strikes me how often people get just infuriated with Scylla and how she says things. Someone else mentioned above that there were people in the DC group who would get so mad they’d quit and never come back. She does this thing with weasel words where it always seems like she’s trying to get out of something and defending herself even if there’s nothing to be defensive about. I used to bring this up to her directly, considering we had been friends, and had met in person a few times, for something like 14 years prior to the daily slog of “Scylla said this about you” messages after I quit. I bet there could have been a way to ameliorate that situation to the conclusion of all parties had the right approach been made, and think about how often it seemed that Scylla would end up taking the exact opposite approach in similar situations.
edit: this isn’t me saying that you shouldn’t be mad at Scylla about this, more speculating on whether a more skillful discussion could have prevented this from escalating
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@Popes Poor Stan. He really made Garou shine. Convinced my Bastet interacting with them was worthwhile after all!
I’ve always thought Pure Breed was a creepy, eugenicist concept if left untreated tbh, but there are versions where it’s not tied to ‘blood purity’.
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Side tangent, it was so super fun to constantly point out to folks that links on the wiki being the same color as the rest of the text… or maybe #FFFFFF vs #CCCCCC… and not having underlines to indicate… you know, link. Like multiple people bring this up, and being told we’re wrong.
But Theno mentions it once and it gets fixed instantly.
That sure was great.
Mummy Pun? MUMMY PUN!
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@labsunlimited Like, they made me write in a whole ass breeding program into my background. When, you know, for most tribes Pure Breed will often just happen. Normal ass, no pure breed kin can drop a pure breed 5 kid, because sometimes that just happens, and they did not understand this. Because it’s not just genetic, it’s fucking spiritual too.
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@Jennkryst said in Re: Dies Irae:
But Theno mentions it once and it gets fixed instantly.
I remember this! So Scylla is deeply reactive* about anything Theno says to the extent that there were often long conversations in the staff discord about how he was acting in the player channels. Additionally, Scylla often believed that he was directly attempting to goad her. This was probably true some of the time, but maybe in like 50% of the cases that were brought up. He did tend to latch on when Scylla started to do that thing I mentioned above about the weasel words.
@Popes said in Re: Dies Irae:
Because it’s not just genetic, it’s fucking spiritual too.
This is such a crucial part of the Pure Breed background that is even mentioned in the background’s write up, but I think is generally missed in favor of… I guess eugenics?
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*and if there was anything that got a policy change or a result on Dies Irae, it was a knee-jerk reaction"And the Fool says, pointing to the invertebrate fauna feeding in the graves: 'Here a monarchy reigns, mightier than you: His Majesty the Worm.'"
Italo Calvino, The Castle of Crossed Destines -
@Popes Yuck. I wish the whole Apoc line didn’t have so much fash in its DNA, but despite the proper and nuanced readings it winds up landing in so many minds as fashy. I can’t tell you how many people I’ve seen doing Werewolf LARP who play it straight, like ‘what if we were just all on board with the genocidal ecofascism’?
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@labsunlimited Somehow my Get Philodox, son of Golgol Fangs-First, who decided ‘You know, kicking ass and being physically strong isn’t bad, but what about strength of character, including empathy, folks?’ not only hit Elder in play, but also helped run the tribe for most of an org larp chronicle, understood this. But, hey. What do I know, I just read the book.
