hobos Temporary Ban Discussion Thread
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Could this be a decision that’s revisited and reconsidered in the future, when everyone has more distance from current events? I’m not sure I’m in favor of making years of history off-limits on every topic, forever. I’m also more comfortable with a temporary rules/policy/vibe alteration than deciding something now that permanently affects those things.
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@Pavel said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:
A totally static policy is a useless policy when adaptation is required.
I’m gonna pull out one line of Pavel’s post to emphasize. I realize that many people in this community don’t really know me, but this right here is something that is pretty foundational to how I approach things.
I don’t want the atmosphere to appear unstable, where things are constantly changing, and you never know what to expect, and rules are getting changed beneath you without warning and ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU ARE BEING PUNISHED AND AHHHHH. That said, I very much believe in iterating on things, and on trying to do better. So there may be things that change – and there should be things that don’t. (Or don’t change easily.) So we’ll think about how to communicate that.
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@glitch said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:
haven’t really been participating in the threads, so I don’t say this out of a desire to keep it going. I just would like to see this forum do well and so I bring up things that matter to me in that regard
I understand where you’re coming from 100% and I apologize if that read like I was attempting to say you were doing anything other than be constructive.
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Also, any moderation and policy decisions should be based on what’s good for BMD, not what MSB is going to think about it.
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@farfalla said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:
Could this be a decision that’s revisited and reconsidered in the future, when everyone has more distance from current events? I’m not sure I’m in favor of making years of history off-limits on every topic, forever. I’m also more comfortable with a temporary rules/policy/vibe alteration than deciding something now that permanently affects those things.
Oh, this is absolutely not meant to be an across the board ban to ever linking to MSB. As I mentioned, when there are repeating patterns and documentation on MSB that comes up in the future, I think that is an EXTREMELY valuable resource that is worth referencing. This is pretty specific to this time and place.
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@tsar It didn’t. If I didn’t think mods cared, I wouldn’t put in the effort.
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Strictly speaking, the decision simply says “in this thread.” It’s not a total blanket ban on screenshots or links in other conversations. Right now we’re not at all saying that you can’t ever anywhere post links or relevant information period.
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If you guys think that is being broadly interpreted as a blanket ban on referencing MSB, we might wanna clarify in its own post rather than losing it in this thread.
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@Tez I just went back and re-read it, and it does say “in this thread” or on related topics, but I for sure read it as a blanket ban. I might just have poor reading comprehension though.
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@farfalla I think it’s more likely that people are primed to be a bit raw about that stuff right now than that you have poor reading comprehension.
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The main thing I want to avoid, and this is again speaking only for myself, is creating a “this is the bash MSB and everyone that still posts there” thread. I don’t care what MSB has to say about it, and I earnestly don’t want to stifle healthy debate and discussion, but right now it’s just poking at the open wound and not letting it scab over.
Again, just my view and my reasons for supporting the decision.
ETA: I’m sorry that this sounds incredibly paternalistic to the point of being condescending. You’re all adults and you can make your own decisions about what you think, how you express your feelings, and what you engage with.
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It could be worth adding a line to the policies that includes something about adding temporary restrictions or increased moderation - that are open to user feedback - around particularly heated subjects. Or something like that, which says ‘hey yeah sometimes we might as for things to pause’ so that it’s in there as a policy that can be 1) known and 2) pointed to.
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@farfalla We’re definitely going to aim for something more substantial than current guidelines, without being overly detailed and restrictive. So, more than making up rules as we go but not so byzantine that we’re stymied by “technically not against the rules so it has to stay” arguments.
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@Pavel Okay. I just want to make sure we don’t end up repeating “I just made up this rule” “what? that’s not a rule” “straight to jail.”
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I think a temporary ban on links/screenshots to there for the purposes of discussing the “split” is fine, and a blanket ban FOREVER on any sort of thread activity that is coordination of trolling somewhere else- - be that MSB, reddit, or any game. That is a thing that folks used to do that should be off limits from the start here (or any community forum).
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@Pavel said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:
ETA: I’m sorry that this sounds incredibly paternalistic to the point of being condescending. You’re all adults and you can make your own decisions about what you think, how you express your feelings, and what you engage with.
I’m especially upvoting your ETA.
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@Pavel said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:
The main thing I want to avoid, and this is again speaking only for myself, is creating a “this is the bash MSB and everyone that still posts there” thread. I don’t care what MSB has to say about it, and I earnestly don’t want to stifle healthy debate and discussion, but right now it’s just poking at the open wound and not letting it scab over.
Again, just my view and my reasons for supporting the decision.
ETA: I’m sorry that this sounds incredibly paternalistic to the point of being condescending. You’re all adults and you can make your own decisions about what you think, how you express your feelings, and what you engage with.
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@farfalla said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:
@Pavel Okay. I just want to make sure we don’t end up repeating “I just made up this rule” “what? that’s not a rule” “straight to jail.”
Definitely, it’s something we’re all exceptionally keen to avoid. But we also want to retain the… authority, I guess, to draw a line under things when it becomes unhealthy.
We all know of at least one discussion on WORA or MSB or wherever that just dragged on to the point of being a headache that could’ve easily been solved had someone said “okay, back to your corners fighters, new round in ten.”
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@Pavel I don’t disagree! I’m just advocating for that to be codified.
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@farfalla Absolutely. With very strict “if you’re involved, you don’t get a say” admin recusal baked right in.