@Gasboy said in Seven Nations is Closing(Kind Of):
@Testament Better to have tried and failed,
But is it really a failure? @Testament ran a game, had fun for awhile, made stories. Sounds like a success to me. No game lasts forever, and I wish you the best of luck in your future games.
I think my favorite part about all of this is how this person’s character couldn’t be a Mary Sue because he’s a MAN WRITTEN BY A MAN!!! or something. IDK, this is all ridiculous.
@RedJellyBean said in MU Peeves Thread:
Having a scene with someone and them not posing for days and giving various reasons, yet you know they’re RPing with someone else on another place the entire time, as well as other games.
Just say “hey it looks like you’ve been pretty busy and this scene is getting stale, let’s FTB and you can grab me again when you have more time?” And call it a day.
No sense in letting your brain weasels eat you alive.
I’ve been struggling with my current job for awhile as they did not follow through with multiple promises and my role wasn’t what I was hired for even after almost three years. The place was becoming rapidly toxic with gossiping HR ladies, constant financial woes, and some other matters that were making me concerned. But I finally resigned! My new role seems promising, it’s where I realistically should be in my career, and they seem to have their shit together. I’m really excited, and just so happy to finally be free of this place … in two weeks 
RL Peeve: they are making me stay TWO WHOLE WEEKS after resigning and are being real dicks about it. But at least it’s temporary!
@Ominous I mean, why ask the question “what about this game is different from Arx” when Arx is no longer around? Even if it is a 100% complete rip-off of Arx, the comparison doesn’t matter anymore because Arx isn’t a thing and hasn’t been a thing for a few years now.
And Arx was, for all intents and purposes, an extremely successful game for several years so people found stuff to RP about clearly lol
tbh I’m amazed at the fortitude anyone has to read Ghost’s giant long posts. I hear them referenced and I go to look because I’m curious and I usually get a couple of lines in and I’m like
“Here’s a well-spoken and well-crafted argument” … proceeds to word vomit across the board nonsensically while skirting along the “very clear” rules in order to attack - but not PERSONALLY!!! attack - people who cannot defend themselves because they are banned.
You know what it would take to repair the community? Nothing. The community isn’t broken, MSB is.
This is kinda like sad and just seems borderline uncomfortable to be talking about this person so can we just not?
It feels weird and disingenious for game runners to have an undisclosed PC (or PCs plural, possibly) that are seemingly central to story. Like, I get on one hand that staff sometimes just want to PLAY and not have everyone climbing over themselves to play with the staff PC because they are the staff PC and they THINK they’ll get story out of it … but if your staff PC is already “the story”, why not just be clear about it?
IDK, it’s weird.
I think we wear rose coloured glasses a lot of the time on MU*s that are pretty nostalgic and are waiting for that “spark” again. But I don’t think it’s the games itself? I miss the times where I played with my friends, and there’s just not a lot of places where my friends play anymore, and even if there was a game that was EXACTLY LIKE the game that I played before that I loved … I don’t think I’d stick. I’m not the same person I was even a year ago, and I just don’t have the energy or the time, and the time I do have I want to spend doing other things.
I just don’t think it has to do with the games that are available or the games that I used to play. Like there could be a carbon copy of the games I loved and everything could be the same but I am not the same anymore. If that makes sense.
I just want to say since it’s apparent that Ghost is reading that it is against the SPIRIT OF THE RULE of the new MSB to continue to personally attack the banned, particularly when they cannot respond directly to those personal attacks.
I’m glad however they found their safe place to apply the rules only to those they dislike and can continue circle jerking about how great and POSITIVE they are while shitting on everyone who cannot defend themselves.
@helvetica what’s even worse IMO is that the staff alt will submit jobs under their alt and then they will answer themselves in said job as the staff bit. Which is just… lol crazy IMO
@catzilla said in MU Peeves Thread:
@MisterBoring said in MU Peeves Thread:
@bear_necessities said in MU Peeves Thread:
IDK how to explain it better, I just feel like staff should be upfront about who their PCs are.
I agree with this. I also believe that staff should not include their PCs in the scenes they are running. In my experience it often leads to Mary Sue / Gary Stu behavior.
At the VERY MOST, I could see them using their PC like, ‘hey I found this spooky rock, can you guys go investigate it?’
But then again, a NPC could do that as well.
This is the weirdest thing about the Staff at Neon Protocol. Their NPCs are the heads of every single org - not a big deal, in fact some people prefer that. But then their PCs (Margot & Punky, I believe) are like… also org heads? Second in command of the orgs? But very blatantly story-surrounded, to a point where it is a feature of the character, and it would be FINE IF IT WAS DISCLOSED. The problem is the non-disclosure, and my particular issue with it is the subterfuge, and the weirdness around it. Specifically, the character I randomly chose off the roster had a secret that centered around both of her alts, to a point where I believe that the intent was to create some sort of romantic vibe with one of them given how it was written, and very much cast Margot as a (if not THE) plot device. When I paged Margot asking her how she wanted to play the secret, she came off very “tee hee, I don’t know, I had no idea that you even had that secret about me!” and I’m just over here like what the fuck?
So. If you want a game where your character - or characterS - are the central plot, if you’re going to link every single character to your character, if you are going to have secrets centered around your characters … god damn, at least be up front about it and tell the people that it’s your character.
I’ve noped off the game, but I think everyone who plays there should be aware of what’s behind the curtain.
@pixiedustflyer yeah. In full disclosure because I believe in naming when I shame, I’m talking about Neon Protocol (be kind rewind?).
That being said I think staff should play their own games. I even think staff should have their PCs in scenes they run, because a lot of times you as staff are the only person running story anyway. It’s the non disclosure and subterfuge that is bothersome.
@Ashkuri I don’t know if other players “cannot be” central to the plot and that’s not really my point. While I believe staff should play their own game and should be able to participate in the story, it seems super disingenuous to have a character that’s central to said story and not reveal that it is a staff alt. IDK how to explain it better, I just feel like staff should be upfront about who their PCs are.
It feels weird and disingenious for game runners to have an undisclosed PC (or PCs plural, possibly) that are seemingly central to story. Like, I get on one hand that staff sometimes just want to PLAY and not have everyone climbing over themselves to play with the staff PC because they are the staff PC and they THINK they’ll get story out of it … but if your staff PC is already “the story”, why not just be clear about it?
IDK, it’s weird.
@Pyrephox said in When is the last time you played?:
No OOCly hidden lore.
This is the one part i struggle with, mostly because i’m not sure how to make the lore 100% accessible without people feeling … I don’t know, like they know the whole story so why would they need to play I guess? But hm. Things to think about!
@catzilla said in When is the last time you played?:
run a silly one shot that will (probably) not have an effect on the setting.
so, curious, how could a game get you to run a plot that could have an effect on the setting, affect the metaplot or change the world in some sort of way? Is it just as simple as keeping that “You can do whatever you want here as long as it doesn’t break the world” on the tin or would you need something else?
@Yam idk. sometimes I think we just as a community need to stop expecting one person to hold all the story on their shoulders. Maybe a lot more people would build games if they thought that the community would tell stories with them instead of them having to tell stories for everyone? I’ve thought about that a lot. I mean I’d love to run a game and have 10,000 ideas, but I don’t have the dedicated story teller time.
@ham said in When is the last time you played?:
We’ve all seen the “waves” come and go, and honestly it comes down to the fact that a large amount of folks don’t take initiative to engage beyond “oh hey this is new and everyone’s here.” The amount of fun we have on these games is really pretty largely up to us, and it doesn’t require newness or hotness. It requires effort.
I do wonder what everyone is waiting for, really. Like we’ve had in however many years since Arx ended multiple L&L games, fantasy games, supernatural games, steampunk games, WoD games, and they either don’t pop off or it does pop off and then the activity plummets and the game dies. And games die for many reasons but I think a big one is what you said - people don’t take initiative to engage, and everyone just keeps waiting on someone else to Do Something, and when everyone is waiting around, no one does anything, and the staff can’t keep up with constant demands to Do Stuff so they get burned out and yeah.
