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somasatori

I would say that it’s less about the allegations of antisemitism in general and more about allegations that turn out to be untrue. A lot of (very abusive, shitty) people can point to allegations proven false as evidence of no wrong-doing in the future, which can create a more dangerous space – this was my argument against Wikibara’s inclusion of the link between their application being denied and antisemitism in their original post.

When I worked in in-patient court-mandated substance abuse recovery, there was a white supremacist guy who told me tales about how he would get fabrications of abuse, which could easily be proven false to create a protective shell. “I don’t abuse my partner, she said I abused her and everyone found out it was bullshit”, which then gave him free rein to kind of abuse whomever. After all, people are lying to discredit his character. I stopped being interested in correctional psych after that, if I’m being honest. Moral injury and all.

According to my (very uninformed, very amateur) research, this is apparently called a “silver bullet” in the legal field.

Tez

@Kestrel said in Antisemitism allegedly:

Maybe it also really was an honest mistake to have created a whole new thread, and the intention was to reply directly to the comments in context. But I really wish this board didn’t now have a whole thread titled “Antisemitism Allegedly” about how, allegedly, allegations of antisemitism cannot be trusted. Did this need to be a topic here?

It’s possible to rename threads. V, I’d consider it. Person to person, player to player. Not mod voice.

RightMeow

I also don’t know the context beyond this thread and I’m going to take the thread as it reads. However, I’m going to drop my opinion. You don’t have to agree, but I feel the need to state it.

We don’t apologize for racism or anything in that vein.

The person who read the statement as antisemitic does not then go back and apologize when it was said ‘as an accident’. We don’t do that. Something was said. It might have been taken out of context, but something was said.

What we do is the person who said it learns not to say that again. We realize they are not racist (for this reason). We understand that knowledge was gained on how to speak and handle situations going forward.

We, again, do not apologize for pointing something out even if it was said accidentally. Just like we don’t apologize when someone gets offended when the speaker was “only joking”. It’s a boundary and we respect that. It doesn’t mean the speaker is the evil, but it does mean e need to reflect on the power of our words (both good and bad) and we move forward in understanding.

Asking for an apology or thinking that one should be made does not sit well with me and so I’m just giving my opinion on what I’ve read on this thread.

Kestrel

Let us reframe that sentence into the following contexts:

“It also doesn’t make women look great to throw around false rape allegations, and can actually increase misogyny.”

“It also doesn’t make black people look great to play the race-card, and can actually increase white supremacy.”

I can’t be certain that you are who you say you are, and I will state plainly that I feel no compulsion to take at face value a post by a day-old account that, seemingly, created the account and posted solely for the purpose of discrediting an allegation of antisemitism.

But I will say that I take issue with this framing, that lying Jews cause antisemitism. Antisemites cause antisemitism. This sentence is either internalised racism, or dishonest in authorial intent.

Maybe it also really was an honest mistake to have created a whole new thread, and the intention was to reply directly to the comments in context. But I really wish this board didn’t now have a whole thread titled “Antisemitism Allegedly” about how, allegedly, allegations of antisemitism cannot be trusted. Did this need to be a topic here?

Maybe Wikibara really is a liar, I don’t know, I don’t know him from Adam. Maybe this is an attempt to discredit a game unfairly, I don’t know, I’ve never played it.

But this thread sets me on edge. If you’re being honest about why you made it, then hopefully you can understand why some people taking an interest in this topic might be on edge.

Because I have receipts I will gladly post of Actual Nazis in this hobby privately admitting in their crusty little Actual Nazi discord servers that they enjoy making false flag posts in the MU* community meant to stir up shit of this nature.

If your intentions are honest, then I really am sorry for what you and your family are going through.

Kestrel

I don’t know who any of the people in this involved are. Not the staff, not the accused, not the accuser, not this poster I’m replying to now, nor what events transpired.

@voiceinthevoid said in Antisemitism allegedly:

It also doesn’t make the Jewish people look great to say this dishonestly and can actually increase antisemitism.

But this sentence reads incredibly suspicious to me.

somasatori

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MisterBoring

@Gashlycrumb said in MU Peeves Thread:

I recollect a staffer doing this, with five people waiting around for the scene said staffer had scheduled themself, with all the players evidently too afraid to page, me doing so and getting “I will not be doing that tonight,” as a response to me, and evidently complaints to others about my horrible soul-sucking behavior.

There’s also the inverse, where a player or staff schedules a scene and then nobody shows up, causing the scheduler to become a nuisance, in one case I can recall actively claiming nobody else on the game understands the theme or setting.

MisterBoring

@catzilla said in MU Peeves Thread:

A smaller scene? Especially one that might center around your character being there? Unless something has happened IRL where you literally cannot send a quick ‘sorry something IRL has come up, can’t make it tonight’, then totally agree.

What really sucks is when people schedule something on a MU, then not only ghost it, but are very much on the MU in a completely unrelated scene and ignoring pages / attempts to get them to join the scheduled event.

catzilla

@Ashkuri said in MU Peeves Thread:

If you sign up for something

Go to it

Or tell someone you aren’t going to it

Fucks sake

I would say an exception to this is like, one of those big 20-30+ people social scenes where 1-5 people unexpectedly not showing up isn’t going to effect anything.

A smaller scene? Especially one that might center around your character being there? Unless something has happened IRL where you literally cannot send a quick ‘sorry something IRL has come up, can’t make it tonight’, then totally agree.

Ashkuri

If you sign up for something

Go to it

Or tell someone you aren’t going to it

Fucks sake

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