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@catzilla said in MU Peeves Thread:

@allthecookies said in MU Peeves Thread:

@Coin

It hurt my brain to see the whole thing go down.

Story time?

If it’s what I think it’s about, here is my measured and fair synopsis:

Guy: “I hate everything about the setting I’m connected to, and I refuse to do anything proactive about it. I remain a fully blank slate and it’s everybody else’s problem, and also fault.”
Staffer: “jesus christ you can do things for yourself”
Guy: “You are not a nice person.”
Other guy: “This is akin to a police shooting.”

Except it went on for twenty minutes.

this isn’t very MUSHmaxxing of him.

Pavel

Somewhere, Shakespeare is furious he didn’t think to set King Lear on a MUSH

Prototart

@catzilla said in MU Peeves Thread:

@allthecookies said in MU Peeves Thread:

@Coin

It hurt my brain to see the whole thing go down.

Story time?

If it’s what I think it’s about, here is my measured and fair synopsis:

Guy: “I hate everything about the setting I’m connected to, and I refuse to do anything proactive about it. I remain a fully blank slate and it’s everybody else’s problem, and also fault.”
Staffer: “jesus christ you can do things for yourself”
Guy: “You are not a nice person.”
Other guy: “This is akin to a police shooting.”

Except it went on for twenty minutes.

catzilla

@allthecookies said in MU Peeves Thread:

@Coin

It hurt my brain to see the whole thing go down.

Story time?

a woman sits in a chair drinking from a cup

MisterBoring

Ooh. Another peeve of mine:

People who attempt to argue rules that are clearly written.

Two Examples:

A player in a combat scene in a tabletop D&D 3.5 game I played in tried to claim that Improved Initiative was situational and per the PHB did not apply to the combat scene we were involved in. Improved Initiative in the 3.5 PHB has some of the simplest and clearest rules text in that book.
A player in a Vampire game tried to argue that they shouldn’t have to make a degeneration roll for killing a feeding victim on accident while at Humanity 8. While the Humanity rules aren’t exactly simple, they do clearly state that accidental killing is a degeneration roll when you are Humanity 6 or higher.

Tez

@voiceinthevoid said in Wikibara’s allegations:

@Kestrel

– I appreciate Tek’s input in changing the name.

It’s Tez.

Just – to be clear. You’re fine. Just want everyone to know who I am, which is Tez, with a z.

Glad you guys had a good conversation.

Kestrel

Just as an addendum to the above exchange, I’ve edited my first post on this thread to reflect that @voiceinthevoid and I ended up talking things through in DMs, and I do believe they were coming from an authentic place. I stand by the rest of what I said, and also appreciate them hearing out my discomfort and taking concerns on board.

somasatori

I would say that it’s less about the allegations of antisemitism in general and more about allegations that turn out to be untrue. A lot of (very abusive, shitty) people can point to allegations proven false as evidence of no wrong-doing in the future, which can create a more dangerous space – this was my argument against Wikibara’s inclusion of the link between their application being denied and antisemitism in their original post.

When I worked in in-patient court-mandated substance abuse recovery, there was a white supremacist guy who told me tales about how he would get fabrications of abuse, which could easily be proven false to create a protective shell. “I don’t abuse my partner, she said I abused her and everyone found out it was bullshit”, which then gave him free rein to kind of abuse whomever. After all, people are lying to discredit his character. I stopped being interested in correctional psych after that, if I’m being honest. Moral injury and all.

According to my (very uninformed, very amateur) research, this is apparently called a “silver bullet” in the legal field.

Tez

@Kestrel said in Antisemitism allegedly:

Maybe it also really was an honest mistake to have created a whole new thread, and the intention was to reply directly to the comments in context. But I really wish this board didn’t now have a whole thread titled “Antisemitism Allegedly” about how, allegedly, allegations of antisemitism cannot be trusted. Did this need to be a topic here?

It’s possible to rename threads. V, I’d consider it. Person to person, player to player. Not mod voice.

RightMeow

I also don’t know the context beyond this thread and I’m going to take the thread as it reads. However, I’m going to drop my opinion. You don’t have to agree, but I feel the need to state it.

We don’t apologize for racism or anything in that vein.

The person who read the statement as antisemitic does not then go back and apologize when it was said ‘as an accident’. We don’t do that. Something was said. It might have been taken out of context, but something was said.

What we do is the person who said it learns not to say that again. We realize they are not racist (for this reason). We understand that knowledge was gained on how to speak and handle situations going forward.

We, again, do not apologize for pointing something out even if it was said accidentally. Just like we don’t apologize when someone gets offended when the speaker was “only joking”. It’s a boundary and we respect that. It doesn’t mean the speaker is the evil, but it does mean e need to reflect on the power of our words (both good and bad) and we move forward in understanding.

Asking for an apology or thinking that one should be made does not sit well with me and so I’m just giving my opinion on what I’ve read on this thread.

T	Tez
P	Pavel
L	Lain Iwakura
R	ririsaru
M	MisterBoring
J	Jenn
C	catzilla
C	Cobalt
C	chilling
S	somasatori
S	sonata
L	Laurel
K	KQ
U	untitled
B	bored
B	Belle
M	mudcirclejerk
M	Mercutio
N	Narrator
R	Rucket

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