@MisterBoring said in AI In Poses:

We have people using AI to write poses, which is pretty gross.

Somehow this also makes the continued existence of people who don’t spell check their posts even more annoying.

I’m honestly at a point where I treat obvious typos and grammar errors in a person’s writing on a MU* as a massive green flag, because it proves to me they didn’t use AI.

@bear_necessities said in AI In Poses:

I’m not saying it doesn’t happen but could someone post the pose in question? I just want to see how we know it’s AI.

I’ve encountered multiple people who’ve openly admitted to using AI to write their poses. What they get out of it I’ll never understand/know.

@MisterBoring said in AI In Poses:

HOWEVER, it does dawn on me that one group of people might be using it for a noble reason that we haven’t really touched on here that I can see. I can totally see the use of ChatGPT as an assistive tech for a person with a physical disability. Perhaps there are people out there in our hobby with some physical limitation that would drastically slow down their pose speed, and the use of ChatGPT helps them keep up with the others on the games they choose to play.

I don’t think this is a noble reason. A combination of ADHD + anxiety + perfectionism + trauma means that I can be very slow, especially under specific circumstances. Like TS/romantic scenes will sometimes take me 50 minutes between poses and it’s not because I’m typing with one hand, it’s because I find that very nerve-wracking and can only do it with people who are very patient and understanding. Likewise in general, when it’s a scene partner I’ve put on some kind of mental pedestal, and really care about impressing. (The less I care, the faster I type.)

If I got to the point where I just used AI, especially without disclosing that, then I kinda think what’s the point. FWIW even when I’m slow, I give it my all; my very best effort to write something I’m proud of (which is why it can take me so long, especially if I’m experiencing some performance anxiety). And I think knowing that is why my friends will put up with me, even if I take forever. To them at least, I’m worth it.

We all have difficulties, but that’s part of the magic. You should push through that difficulty, not give up. From my perspective, that’s what AI usage is, it’s giving up, it’s choosing not to write on a writing game. And at that point, just play something else? I don’t think it’s ableism to say that writing games aren’t going to be for everyone; they’re obviously not going to be for people who don’t care enough to write. They can absolutely be for people who struggle but still want to write; you just need to find the right people who support you, and I don’t think they’re that hard to find. Most people don’t want a perfect writing partner, they want someone with a positive attitude who’s trying their best.

@Jennkryst said in MU Peeves Thread:

@Prototart what ever happened to bribing players with XP for desc work?!?

Perverse incentives are a big part of why we have an AI slop problem in this hobby.

AI is ruining this hobby. That’s my gripe. It’s ruining my respect for players, staff, my interest in games, my desire to RP. I see old friends whose original writing I’ve always enjoyed, flaunting AI use in a way that makes me feel like they must have never even appreciated their own talent as much as I did. I see promising games lose all promise the second I step on grid and see a sea of AI slop. And I see younger generation, newer players defending it in a way that makes me feel like the future of this hobby is just dead for me, an old fogey whose love of authentic human creativity, warts and all, makes me old-fashioned.

I hate it. I hate it on a spiritual and existential level.

Kfir Bibas.

I binged the first two seasons of Yellowjackets in a single weekend and can’t stop thinking about it. Can’t believe I have to wait a whole week for season 3 now.

Anyway here’s a flawless ad for it I found in a YouTube comment section:

I have an extremely annoying colleague I am nonetheless incredibly fond of.

What annoys me about her is the exact same thing that makes me nevertheless respect her, it’s that she’s me 10 years ago complete with all the quirks and mistakes I’ve since taken pains to iron out.

The curse of having your own sins come back to haunt you in the form of a younger version of yourself has to be one of the most underreported frustrations of getting older.

I want to shake this person until she stops doing all the dumb obnoxious shit I used to do to other people.

One side is “accidentally” doing Nazi salutes twice

And the other side suddenly cares now that it’s not their side’s cause du jour doing it

I’m stressed. I’m concerned.

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EDIT: air quotes added for /s clarity.

@KarmaBum said in MU Peeves Thread:

@Kestrel I read everyone’s desc. I like reading them. Writing them can be a challenge sometimes, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

If we don’t keep challenging ourselves as writers and creators, we’re going to wind up RPing nothing but Movie Nights and Karaoke, linking to images of our outfits instead of actually (wait for it) describing anything.

Rabble rabble kids these days.

I don’t think we shouldn’t describe stuff. I just think we should only describe stuff that matters, when it matters.

It’s the Chekhov’s Gun principle. If it’s not going to go off in the second act, it doesn’t need a paragraph describing it in the first.

There are games where you’re encouraged to write a paragraph describing every garment your character owns, every object in a room, every body part, etc. For me, “a white T-shirt”, “a mahogany desk” is sufficient. And if your character’s a musician then it’s relevant that they have “pianist’s fingers”, if they’re a lumberjack it’s relevant that they’re callused, but otherwise I don’t care about their hands.

I have never and will never use ChatGPT to do my writing for me. But the stuff I see people using it for is almost always stuff they feel obligated to write that actually didn’t need to be written at all.

I would rather (can, and do) write 3 paragraphs describing something in the space of 10 minutes, during a scene, when it’s relevant setting — than 1 paragraph prep work with unlimited time. It’s drudgery that saps my motivation to play. Maybe it’s my ADHD but honestly don’t think I’m the only one.

@Warma-Sheen said in MU Peeves Thread:

@Pavel said in MU Peeves Thread:

@Third-Eye I wonder how long it’ll be before staff start requiring people defend their applications like one does with a dissertation, just to weed out those who wrote their backgrounds with an LLM.

This is what they get for still having people write out backgrounds that will never again have relevance once the app is approved.

Said it before and people totally misunderstood my stance as defending AI — I’m not:

The stuff that people commonly replace with AI these days, the drudgery that no one wants to write and no one wants to read (typically descs, filler text) is stuff we should just culturally outgrow as a hobby.

@Pavel said in MU Peeves Thread:

@Third-Eye I wonder how long it’ll be before staff start requiring people defend their applications like one does with a dissertation, just to weed out those who wrote their backgrounds with an LLM.

There are apps that can detect with relative accuracy whether something is AI-written or not.

And I am completely 100% in favour of outright banning all use of AI-generated art and LLMs on any game.

I hope everyone who lives in or has loved ones in LA is safe.

@TNP said in Pets!:

She’s dying. The most important part of my life is going to be forever lost to me along with our little boy. I’ve scheduled a vet to come tomorrow. I just wish the vet could have a second shot for me.

I’ve felt keener grief for animals in my life than I have for humans. I’m very sorry you’re going through this.

Finding out someone I felt uncomfortable with, but not uncomfortable enough to openly voice my objections to:

1. Actually has a known history of much more serious permutations of this behaviour on other games
2. Was already shown the door on my current game without me needing to say anything

Thank u yes I knew I wasn’t just crazy, and I am so happy to know I’m now playing on a game with safe, healthy, vigilant staff.

I totally feel for people saying they don’t page people because they feel anxious etc.

My quibble is that, while I have no official numbers, I estimate that if I were to take a poll, 90% of this hobby would say they are anxious/autistic/depressed etc.

I hold it against no one for not making the first move. But I do think that past a certain point of familiarity, if you’ve been playing with someone for a long time, and you care about them, you are morally obligated on some level to force yourself to be the one who reaches out and initiates stuff from time to time. It’s the same with relationships. I’d be sad and insecure if my partner was always dtf when prompted but never initiated. I’d wonder if they actually like me or just like that I’m convenient.

Labour isn’t easy for anyone but you should still make the effort for people you value. Otherwise they won’t know you value them. You wouldn’t like feeling that way. That’s why you like it when they do the work, right?

Not a meaningful complaint. I know I’m being a silly insecure baby about it.

But I wish the person I’ve been playing with for years, who always expresses unequivocal enthusiasm and joy about our scenes, would sometimes actually initiate them, seek me out, invite me to games they’re on, so my brain weasels would stop making me doubt whether they actually want me there.

They always say yes when I ask but why is it always me asking.

So I really like it when someone can play a compelling sociopath who’s highly manipulative and intelligent. I think this is usually a more interesting kind of foil than just Punchy McPuncherperson.

But when they get caught and then try to lie about it OOC it’s a weird … sticky feeling.

I think I might’ve recently RPed with Jill on a game that has very limited/no OOC? Does she do that? Because I’ve never met her in the classic Guest sense, but I recently had a very weird scene, between two female characters, where that sort of exchange took place IC before I got weirded out and bailed.

I really gotta know if I’m the only person in the world who thinks the new season of HotD is just not good. Legit questioning whether it’s AI-written or something.

I don’t watch many shows these days, so I’m probably super late on the uptake, and I’m sure this has been a thing for a while …

But someone recently recommended I watch a show on Amazon Prime, so I did, and now I’m mad to realise suddenly there are ads and I have to pay extra on top of my membership to remove them??

Don’t I already pay for unencumbered viewing with the Prime membership itself? smdh. fkin bezos.

(Yes I know this is very much a first world problem peeve.)

EDIT: For anyone with the same peeve — swapping from AdBlock to uBlock Origin did the trick.

@Testament said in MU Peeves Thread:

@Tez said in MU Peeves Thread:

@Tez said in MU Peeves Thread:

I am begging game-runners to stop using ChatGPT.

I AM BEGGING PLAYERS TO STOP USING CHATGPT.

I’LL STOP USING IT WHEN GAMES STOP ASKING FOR DESCS

Disclaimer: If it wasn’t obvious; this is a joke, I use it to get ideas for a desc and then actually write one. As much as I absolutely loath to write it.

Although this is a joke: I do think that the advent of AI has done one small favour to the MU* genre, which is expose a lot of the drudgery that people don’t want to do. If people are so unmotivated to write or read prosaic descs that one could literally replace them with AI-generated slop, and in the minds of some people that would be better, then those are aspects of the game that might be superfluous.

I think this is a bigger problem on MUDs than MUSHes, but there are games where instead of walking in and posing, "Kestrel arrives on the scene, wearing a white T-shirt and jeans. She looks around curiously and then waves to Testament", I would have a white T-shirt and jeans as codified objects on my person, that can be examined. And because some people think more prose is always better, there can be a cultural expectation that your character isn’t properly presentable unless each of those objects has a paragraph describing them. Even though no one cares, and no one is going to read a paragraph describing a white T-shirt. It’s a white fkn T-shirt, what more is there to say?

That’s the stuff I see people delegating to AI a lot now, and that’s my peeve. We should just rethink outdated cultural norms, instead.