Happy Pride Month, everyone!

I woke up this morning a wee bit sad as I had to close a tab open to MSB on my phone, and reminded myself:

The forum was never the community. It was just where the community agreed to hang out. It could have been Reddit or Discord or a MUSH but - for a few years - it was the MSB forum.

If WORA was ever a thing, it is here now. The spirit of open, lively debate is here.

What we left behind are admin who admit candidly that they wanted us off their forum, so we are gone.

The people left behind on Derp’s forum are a separate community.

People can decide where they would like to belong. (Except for those of us who were banned but I also think that just reinforces what most of us had already chosen.)

I am happy to be part of this community. 🥰

@GF said in Bannings:

At some point, it has to become a vibes-based decision.

Honestly? At every point. Even looking down the barrel of logs and screenshots, you’re still gonna have to make a decision based on your instincts.

I’m not sure people grasp how much even the most flippant of us wind up agonizing over these decisions sometimes. “I don’t want to make a big deal out of this” is probably the most common phrase people say to me when they want to put someone on my radar, and that’s sort of a sad state of affairs. Even on GH, which was a hot mess, we only ever got a handful of actual complaints about behavior from people; most people who are getting harassed just leave rather than go through the whole process of reporting someone.

The only false report I’ve ever gotten on any game, to my knowledge, was from Ruiz. Who went right for the throat with a job to complain about the person it turned out she was harassing. Neither player got banned over it, though the other player eventually quit.

^ See above re: wrong way on a decision before. I should’ve banned Ruiz right then (or at least shortly afterward when her creepiness started to twig @bear_necessities), but no one had receipts and it felt somehow wrong to ban someone just because my co-admin thought they were creepy.

Which is just the dumbest rationale I’ve ever used, and it embarrasses me to this day.

tl;dr - be a good admin and swing the ban-hammer freely till you achieve the desired PEACE & QUIET

I forgot this thread was here. I stand by my “let Derp’s forum lie” mentality, but also…

Derp has been completely honest about why certain bans were lifted and others weren’t: He doesn’t like us.

Which is completely fair. I don’t like him, either.
When he was made admin, I had every intention of just bouncing. But I realize now that I fucking care about this community, and he doesn’t, so I’m glad I came back.

I don’t expect to ever be unbanned there. Derp can’t handle people speaking truth to him, especially women.

The community that was WORA - that Arkandel handed over to Ganymede - isn’t fractured. It’s right fucking here.

WORA has never been an immutable line in the sand. It’s always a party that’s popped up at someone’s house 'cause their parents were out of town.

When Nymeria threatened copyright infringement and we had to flee off Proboards (or whatever that was), the community moved to a new location. This is the same thing: Ganymede torched our old neighborhood and gave the keys to Derp, so we just moved on.

It’s really hard to explain how much of this is because… honestly… Derp is such a mansplainy little turd, that it is hard to swallow that he “wins.” He and Ganymede essentially have the keys to our shared history. And it hurts to think of losing that (for the 4th time?) because of this narrow-minded little man who doesn’t have the common decency to yield to the will of the community he was supposed to be entrusted to oversee.

Derp should have done the right thing and stepped aside when it became obvious how upset so many of us were.

Ganymede should have done the right thing and asked him to step aside when it became obvious how upset so many of us were.

The misplaced trust in Ganymede over the years compiled by the smug crowing imagined in the background by that tiresome manchild…

It still stings.

So that’s why I’m still reading, even though I know I shouldn’t. I’ll grow out of it soon.

They won’t.

@Warma-Sheen said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:

@Pavel said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:

I understand the ‘must have proof’ mindset, though. Sometimes (rarely, but still) bitches do lie. After all, this board was founded after people were falsely accused of something and punished without any sort of transparent investigation.

Yep.

Sometimes people lie.

Please show me the receipts where people have lied about being harassed. If this is such a prevalent problem, you should have no trouble producing them.

We lost our CKCS recently. So now we have 1 & 1/4 Boston Terriers.

@Cobalt lordy, just when it feels like it can’t go any lower

Just from my own past experience? Don’t give away your DB. Don’t let someone take it over. We did that with GH, and I regret that decision big-time. Stuff only got worse, and - even though I publicly walked away - there’s still a sense of responsibility. And people who still think I was responsible for shit that I had no control over.

If they love it so much, let them make an homage.

LOLOL and Gany banned us all to protect this nasty weirdo

this hobby, man

@Cobalt just jumping on the bandwagon.

Derp’s knee-jerk assumption was that YOU are the bad actor in this scenario, and everyone agreed - right up until you walked into the room, when suddenly they realized they weren’t just talking about someone who couldn’t defend themselves. Then Ghost and Macha did their frantic back-pedaling, and Derp of course ignored the fire he just started.

They’re not there for discussion. They have BANNED everyone who actually wants to discuss things.

I put 7-12 months.

I’m technically running a private story right now, but I wouldn’t really count it as “RPing on a Mush” in the common parlance.

@Pyrephox flippant example, as that’s usually all I have, but I see your point. Replace “throw tomato” with “smuggle in a weapon, ask a salient question, etc.”

The idea that the whole scene is impervious to characters feels like lazy storytelling.

Which I’ve totally been a lazy storyteller and just put a scene on rails or slapped a post up because I didn’t want to deal with curve balls. It happens, but if it happens often, I should probably tell a more interactive story.

@Roadspike said in Scenes within Scenes:

If it’s a one-way scene that again, can’t be interrupted? Don’t make it a scene! I’m sure we’ve all been in plenty of scenes where we thought, “This didn’t need to be a scene, it could’ve been a post/vignette/scene-set.” So don’t make them scenes. Have the GM post up their too-important-to-be-interrupted scene as a Vignette, and then have the actual scene be everyone’s reaction to it afterwards. You know, when people can actually interact with each other without interrupting.

Shouldn’t the solution be to find a way to make it more interactive? Like, if the King is making a proclamation that affects all the PCs, wouldn’t you want that scene to be something people show up to?

Even if they know they can’t stop the speech, can’t they RP trying? Throw the ST a curveball and bring a rotten tomato and wind up getting arrested?

It seems like the assumption of “all the PCs show and watch like good boys & girls” may make it easier for the ST, but it’s not giving characters much room to maneuver.

Through the early 2000s, the big Pern games had strict building quotas, so areas couldn’t actually build rooms for everything. Your builder might get a 20-room quota, so admin had to prioritize. It wasn’t uncommon to have 30+ people in the Galleries room, all watching and reacting to the same Hatching room scene, which also has 10+ people posing in it, so having places helped minimize the spam. The galleries might have four sections in it, so you’d be seeing the big event spam and then mostly just the 5-10 people your PC was actually close enough to talk to.

And all the people apologizing for forgetting to use the places code.

I remember on at least one WoD game, the code interacted with code for things like heightened senses and obfuscation. People could drop into table-talk to avoid having an invisible character eavesdrop, and/or certain characters could eavesdrop if they had the right stats.

It was a nice bauble - not unlike mutter code that would replace random bits of dialogue with ellipses, or language code that only translated things if you had the right stats.

@Faraday Thank you for taking the time to add this. Genuinely appreciated.

@Faraday I’d rather see it as a page on the individual game than on Ares Central. My thoughts went to a /scene-stats/ route that just populated a quick dashboard of metrics (avg scenes shared per day, avg characters per scene, avg words per scene, breakout of scene types, etc).

While I like the activity log on AresCentral, I am wary of standing up fuzzy data in what winds up looking like an official or comparative capacity. If there was just a /scene-stats/ route that could be turned on/off, that’d give game runners the chance to opt out.

$0.02

Edit to add - @Trashcan I just ran this for funsies on ODW. TY for sharing!

• Trad - 224
• Async - 399
• Distracted - 73

Currently, 5/36 scenes are tagged “Traditional” but have been ongoing for more than 1 day, so 14% are currently mis-tagged. I imagine that varies wildly, but 10-20% mis-tagged sounds fair.

@Faraday Oh, most definitely, but I’m also operating on the assumption that most scenes played are shared. I didn’t get to the level of seeing if there were any scene gaps or comparing scene # to scene share date…

…cuz that’s my actual job and what I’m supposed to be doing now instead of posting here. But!

Given a small sample of publicly posted and ongoing scenes, more scenes carry-over at least one day than are posted same-day.

@MisterBoring I’ve always been into tracking metrics on games. At one point on GH, I coded a virus that you could pass from person-to-person as part of a plot (pre-COVID <.<), and it had background tracking so I could watch its transmission, see who infected the most people, etc.

One time, I went through and compiled all the old data about every hatching on every active Pern game in the early '00s, just to validate that it was statistically easier to get a Gold Dragon on PernWorld than any other open game - and I still remember that PW had over 1/10 PC Impressions as Gold vs 1/15 for NC.

Pre-Ares, there were tons of log and activity trackers on Wikidot. You can still see some in action on Harper’s Tale - http://harpers-tale.wikidot.com/sw-staff:activity-tracker I think they’ve revamped the page since I played there, but I helped build/maintain the log tracker for a while there.

A “totally useless data about scenes” page would be awesome: Avg words per scene, avg characters per scene, % of scenes shared (vs total), avg time between open-and-share date, % of scene types (Social/Event/Vignette/etc)…

And by awesome I obviously mean super nerdy.

@Superbia said in RP Safari - Pacing Styles:

Aegis Company runner here, just want to belatedly chime in to say our scenes, especially events, do skew live.

Please note that this isn’t a value judgment. I personally don’t care about the live/async split. But I’m a data analyst, and confirmation bias is one of my biggest peeves. So just to give you a very small sample set:

As of 3/18 -
Scenes already shared with the dates posted - 9 live

• 3/17 - 2 scenes
• 3/16 - 0 scenes
• 3/15 - 4 scenes
• 3/14 - 3 scenes

Scenes started yesterday+ with those dates - 12 async

• 3/17 - 7
• 3/16 - 0
• 3/15 - 2
• 3/14 - 3

Looking at those four days, 43%* of your scenes are live.

*Ares doesn’t have a publicly available ‘scene shared date’, so I’m assuming that scenes posted on those days were also played those days (credit for “live” scenes).

Just for the sake of conversation, the other two games mentioned as having a live component - Empty Night and Keys - have even less, with no scenes posted on 3/16 or 3/17 for either game. So your game’s still ahead of the curve.

@Roz said in RP Safari - Pacing Styles:

i wasn’t asking what types of RP she dislikes

Thank you for clarifying, as I also read it that way, and was like… damn, I tried to explain that it just doesn’t hit me as fun, and people were like NO I BELIEVE YOU DO LIKE IT!!!

Alas, all the games where I used to play are no longer open to grab my default RP prefs, but they generally went something like:

• YES - Action, adventure, travel, cool scenery (and then generally something theme-specific, like “dark magic” or “rebel alliances” or something)
• NO - Slice of life

Specific examples?

• Always enjoy playing weird NPCs for story purposes, so currently enjoying storytelling with some friends; historically enjoyed lots of scenes on GH where I got to play the weird creatures.
• The whole zombie arc on Crimson Compass.
• On Horror2 where we used the holy water in the stupidest possible way, which I think was just a 2-3 scene arc?
• The training montage on LA (even though I wasn’t actually in that scene).
• When my character exploded himself as a weyrling on HT.
• “Travel” scenes are always fun for me, especially travel to a surreal or impossible place. Preference for me is as a storyteller, but I’m down to be along for the ride.

Hopefully, this helps.

p.s. r u fr rn?

p.p.s. Double-edit to add… as I’m rereading the past few go-rounds…

I am not trying to sell this to anyone as a better or even good way to be. I wish I could still enjoy playing pick-up scenes the way I used to. I’ve spent at least a year trying to find that old oomph, and it just is not there.

If anything, I do not wish for others to fall off the same way that I have. So take my story as a warning, for I do not play right now, and that is not what I would wish for the rest of y’all.

@Roz said in RP Safari - Pacing Styles:

lol you didn’t even quote my entire point???

Sorry, that’s more an issue of replying on my phone.

My entire point is just that I know what social RP is, I have enjoyed it in the past, I do not enjoy it anymore. I do enjoy many other types of RP.

Whether or not you believe that is irrelevant.