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    Pavel
    last edited by 18 Jul 2023, 18:58

    Yeah, I very specifically said “in Ares” not “with full access to the database, the ability to fuck around in it without breaking everything, and the brain power to breathe and think at the same time.”

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      Testament
      last edited by 18 Jul 2023, 19:02

      If a staffer wanted to be absolutely nefarious, there’s little stopping them from @newpassing a player’s character after that player had left the game(or hadn’t left if you wanted to be an even bigger shitheel), log in with said newpass and start looking at all their logs as that character.

      This is what I’m assuming what happened here. And no matter how you slice it, it’s still disgusting.

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        Roz @Testament
        last edited by 18 Jul 2023, 19:18

        @Testament said in Neitherlands:

        If a staffer wanted to be absolutely nefarious, there’s little stopping them from @newpassing a player’s character after that player had left the game(or hadn’t left if you wanted to be an even bigger shitheel), log in with said newpass and start looking at all their logs as that character.

        This is what I’m assuming what happened here. And no matter how you slice it, it’s still disgusting.

        Yeah I assume that too. I was responding specifically to Pavel’s query wondering if the built-in Ares tools meant a staffer would even have to take that step in order to do what happened, which – from my knowledge – I think that they would. (Versus staffing having a tool to just post other player’s logs.)

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          Testament @Roz
          last edited by 18 Jul 2023, 19:32

          @Roz Ah. Yeah, my bad. I was just noting that you don’t have to go digging around in the game’s database to find logs.

          Mind, both of these actions are pretty terrible and are a pretty egregious invasion of privacy it might be. Though I do think there is something far more heinous about willfully resetting a character’s password just in order to look at their logs. Now, I might be assuming that’s the reason for such an action in this case, but I can’t think of any other reason that might need to happen.

          I know as a game runner, I’ve had to @newpass people, but that was largely due to just people forgetting their password. Which really, is the usual functionality of that command. Not for a staffer that’s gone AWOL.

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            BloodAngel
            last edited by 18 Jul 2023, 19:33

            gross to the max

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              KarmaBum @Polk
              last edited by 18 Jul 2023, 19:46

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                Pavel @Testament
                last edited by 18 Jul 2023, 19:48

                @Testament said in Neitherlands:

                a pretty egregious invasion of privacy it might be

                Of course boilerplate no expectation of privacy using someone else’s system etc, etc, etc…

                It’s not only deeply unethical, at least with my particular code of ethics; it’s mindbendingly fuckin’ stupid. What is even the point? If you wanna read 'em because you’re creepy, why post them?

                Normally I can figure out the reasoning behind heinous crappy decisions, but I’m honestly at a loss here. What’s the point?

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                  Roz @Pavel
                  last edited by 18 Jul 2023, 19:53

                  @Pavel said in Neitherlands:

                  @Testament said in Neitherlands:

                  a pretty egregious invasion of privacy it might be

                  Of course boilerplate no expectation of privacy using someone else’s system etc, etc, etc…

                  It’s not only deeply unethical, at least with my particular code of ethics; it’s mindbendingly fuckin’ stupid. What is even the point? If you wanna read 'em because you’re creepy, why post them?

                  Normally I can figure out the reasoning behind heinous crappy decisions, but I’m honestly at a loss here. What’s the point?

                  Expression of power. Potential humiliation of a person you don’t like.

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                    Pavel @Roz
                    last edited by 18 Jul 2023, 19:55

                    @Roz said in Neitherlands:

                    @Pavel said in Neitherlands:

                    @Testament said in Neitherlands:

                    a pretty egregious invasion of privacy it might be

                    Of course boilerplate no expectation of privacy using someone else’s system etc, etc, etc…

                    It’s not only deeply unethical, at least with my particular code of ethics; it’s mindbendingly fuckin’ stupid. What is even the point? If you wanna read 'em because you’re creepy, why post them?

                    Normally I can figure out the reasoning behind heinous crappy decisions, but I’m honestly at a loss here. What’s the point?

                    Expression of power. Potential humiliation of a person you don’t like.

                    I suppose. I was hoping for something more tantalising than bog standard “is a fuckstick.”

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                      Testament @Pavel
                      last edited by 18 Jul 2023, 19:57

                      @Pavel said in Neitherlands:

                      @Testament said in Neitherlands:

                      a pretty egregious invasion of privacy it might be

                      Of course boilerplate no expectation of privacy using someone else’s system etc, etc, etc…

                      I was going to originally point this out, but I also didn’t want my eyes to roll out of my head. An yeah it should go without saying that we technically play on other people’s digital playground and the game runner owns said playground. But we as players also should have the expectation of game runners being decent human beings. An exceedingly high bar, I know.

                      It’s not only deeply unethical, at least with my particular code of ethics; it’s mindbendingly fuckin’ stupid. What is even the point? If you wanna read 'em because you’re creepy, why post them?

                      Likely I’d say some kind of personal satisfaction that they got to read all stuff that wasn’t supposed to be seen by the GM. It’s like those people like that hate-watch content creators on YouTube. And will claim they were trying to find some evidence in order to create some kind of ‘gotcha’ moment.

                      Normally I can figure out the reasoning behind heinous crappy decisions, but I’m honestly at a loss here. What’s the point?

                      I could suggest from everything I’ve seen and read so far, it’s because this particular game runner apparently hates all female characters and wants to hoard all the men to herself, but that’d be mean.

                      See, now I’m being petty. But at least I’m aware of it.

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                        helvetica @Pavel
                        last edited by 18 Jul 2023, 19:59

                        @Pavel said in Neitherlands:

                        If you wanna read 'em because you’re creepy, why post them?

                        As another provocation? To communicate that you still hold power over an individual? Maybe to pretend there’s still rp happening on the game? It’s difficult to attribute motivation to somebody who acts so far outside the bounds. I’m not super convinced there was even any forethought at all.

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                          Pavel
                          last edited by 18 Jul 2023, 20:02

                          Apparently, I’m not as jaded as I used to be. What is the world coming to?

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                            Testament @Pavel
                            last edited by 18 Jul 2023, 20:07

                            @Pavel Going soft in our old age.

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                              Pavel @Testament
                              last edited by 18 Jul 2023, 20:08

                              @Testament There are pills for that, now.

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                                DrQuinn @helvetica
                                last edited by 18 Jul 2023, 20:10

                                @helvetica said in Neitherlands:

                                Maybe to pretend there’s still rp happening on the game?

                                This was my first thought because lol 0 active scenes.

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                                  hellfrog @Pavel
                                  last edited by 18 Jul 2023, 20:13

                                  @Pavel said in Neitherlands:

                                  @Testament said in Neitherlands:

                                  a pretty egregious invasion of privacy it might be

                                  Of course boilerplate no expectation of privacy using someone else’s system etc, etc, etc…

                                  It’s not only deeply unethical, at least with my particular code of ethics; it’s mindbendingly fuckin’ stupid. What is even the point? If you wanna read 'em because you’re creepy, why post them?

                                  Normally I can figure out the reasoning behind heinous crappy decisions, but I’m honestly at a loss here. What’s the point?

                                  It’s a threat. Not an effective one, clearly, but we can all achieve only to the height of our abilities.

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                                    Pavel @hellfrog
                                    last edited by 18 Jul 2023, 20:14

                                    @hellfrog said in Neitherlands:

                                    @Pavel said in Neitherlands:

                                    @Testament said in Neitherlands:

                                    a pretty egregious invasion of privacy it might be

                                    Of course boilerplate no expectation of privacy using someone else’s system etc, etc, etc…

                                    It’s not only deeply unethical, at least with my particular code of ethics; it’s mindbendingly fuckin’ stupid. What is even the point? If you wanna read 'em because you’re creepy, why post them?

                                    Normally I can figure out the reasoning behind heinous crappy decisions, but I’m honestly at a loss here. What’s the point?

                                    It’s a threat. Not an effective one, clearly, but we can all achieve only to the height of our abilities.

                                    It’s kinda sad. We make better threats before we even wake up properly of a morning (afternoon).

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                                      shit-piss-love @Pavel
                                      last edited by shit-piss-love 18 Jul 2023, 20:29

                                      @Pavel said in Neitherlands:

                                      It’s not only deeply unethical, at least with my particular code of ethics; it’s mindbendingly fuckin’ stupid. What is even the point? If you wanna read 'em because you’re creepy, why post them?

                                      Now that you mention it, you cannot convince me that @inuki is not reading the private scenes players are engaging in on their game.

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                                        Pavel @shit-piss-love
                                        last edited by 18 Jul 2023, 20:32

                                        @shit-piss-love said in Neitherlands:

                                        @Pavel said in Neitherlands:

                                        It’s not only deeply unethical, at least with my particular code of ethics; it’s mindbendingly fuckin’ stupid. What is even the point? If you wanna read 'em because you’re creepy, why post them?

                                        Now that you mention it, you cannot convince me that @inuki is not reading the private scenes players are engaging in on their game.

                                        Not a lot to read, then.

                                        Reading RP others are doing is weird to me. I don’t even like reading published logs.

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                                          Testament @Pavel
                                          last edited by 18 Jul 2023, 20:36

                                          @Pavel Generally I don’t read logs, but I will peruse for mentions.

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