Heckler's veto
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@Testament fwiw I still miss sending you dumb crow mail
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@sao I am using a mouse so it is my index finger
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@Whisky somehow if I say free your finger it sounds dirtier
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On a more serious note, I find upvotes valuable as a social tool. When a post seems legit to me, I give it an upvote. When a post feels off in some way, I check to see the upvotes to see if I read it wrong, or if Iām just completely off base with what Iām thinking and consider the replies.
Iāve been swayed by upvotes to learn new things, new events, and more. Even when people upvote dead celebrity notifications, I find that useful.
Some posts donāt need upvotes. Not upvoting doesnāt necessarily mean disagreement or being ignored. Sometimes a post is just neutrally informational. Sometimes @pisscat shows up and showers you with upvotes.
For another aspect of upvotes, take a look at the Liberation MUSH thread(s). It doesnāt have as many upvotes because it feels like few people are aware of the situation and (at least in my experience) Iām not familiar with a number of the posters, or Iām not knowledgeable in the field of gnosis and freebies. Iām sure there are some good posts there, but I donāt have the experience necessary to give an upvote.
Unrelatedly, I also feel that without upvotes, itās easier for predators to sneak in, but I donāt have anything to back this up.
Overall, I feel like upvotes are a good system for bestowing and verifying trust. When I first showed up, almost all of my posts got between 0 and 2 upvotes because I was an unknown entity who was making contributions, but nobody really knew who I was back then. If youāve ever played VRChat, they have a system of trust where there more you hang out with people, the more you level up your friendship. I believe Celestra has something like this, too. Itās less possible to do that on a forum, but I think upvotes are a good substitute.
I donāt have a strong preference on whether or not to anonymize upvotes, though.
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@Roz I was just trying to explain the idea behind a thing.
I personally donāt care about upvotes, or downvotes, or anything like that because, if I am being brutally honest, faceless individuals on a forum donāt have a whole lot of power over me
I am from a time when things were more or lessā¦ harsher.
There were no performance trophies, negative things happened and we had to learn to accept them and deal with them in order to survive, and it was a whole different world.
So the idea of a perfect neutrality is just as useless to me as not having downvotes, or upvotes.
On this forum the only form of āacceptanceā at a glance is the āupvoteā so when someone doesnāt receive them then they and their views are not being āacceptedā. Without a means to determine when something /is/ received negatively (at a glance) the ambiguity of āI am not getting upvotesā vs āThe only way people can show they donāt agree with something I posted is to not upvoteāā¦
Ok getting rambly. Let me try to simplify for my own thought process.
Upvote is carrot.
There is no stick.
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@Testament I can respect that you can look at upvotes or lack thereof as commentary on your place in the community but I think we start to edge into dangerous territory when use personal feelings or insecurity to dictate policy. That, in my opinion, is how MSB has so many issues right now. Iām not going to say I never get bothered by anything said here or on MSB, but for me, the solution is to walk away and do something else and get out of that headspace and I usually realize that this isnāt a big deal.
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I mostly just keep wishing I could do Discord-style reactions instead of upvoting. >_>
They/Them
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@Ren Thatās an option! In theory. I set it to the side at the time bc the possibility of snarky responses feels much more present.
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@Herja said in Heckler's veto:
@Testament I can respect that you can look at upvotes or lack thereof as commentary on your place in the community
Thatās kind of the point though, I donāt believe that this is a good thing. I donāt think that you should look at upvotes or lack of them as some kind of representation of your standing within the community. Realistically, they should be some benign thing., not be a barometer on where you stand, and I donāt think thatās a healthy outlook to have. Because itās really easy to fall into a bad habit of wanting to make sure you say the right thing all the time, every time.
Itās something Iāve thought a lot about, especially when I notice how I respond to things. Because itās happened to me. I donāt like that I sometimes have a physical reaction when I upset or hurt someoneās feelings. If it happens to me, it might happen to others and I wanted to support anyone that deals with that, as I donāt think itās a healthy way to think.
but I think we start to edge into dangerous territory when use personal feelings or insecurity to dictate policy. That, in my opinion, is how MSB has so many issues right now.
This is a fair point, and I have zero desire to dictate how people can act, even if itās simply supporting someone else has said. Hence why I wanted to see where people stood on the matter. Was it simply something to have because weāve always had it, or do we even need it? Should we even have it, regardless of personal feelings.
Iām not going to say I never get bothered by anything said here or on MSB, but for me, the solution is to walk away and do something else and get out of that headspace and I usually realize that this isnāt a big deal.
This is why I donāt really look at BMD when Iām home, only when Iām at work.
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This is gonna sound super trite but like, I think the answer is just to try not to see the upvotes as a big deal. Like idk about you but while I upvote stuff I like I also sporadically just donāt upvote, especially if Iām strapped for time or if the conversation is flowing quickly.
Overwhelmingly, upvotes are gonna land the most one either well-written novels or pithy quips. Because they made me stop and think or laugh.
tldr; upvotes donāt correlate in aggregate and are probably mostly just useful as a descriptor of a post, not a person
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@shit-piss-love said in Heckler's veto:
Like idk about you but while I upvote stuff I like I also sporadically just donāt upvote, especially if Iām strapped for time or if the conversation is flowing quickly.
Just so you guys know, I upvote things specifically with chaos in mind.
I have a bunch of upvote rules, that arenāt āI agreeā.
Rule 1, does it insult me or tell me to go away? Upvote.
Rule 2, is it Hellfrog? Auto upvote.
Rule 3, did I do a thing that could count as a laugh when I read it? Upvote.
Rule 4, upvote all playlist posts. (But only original.)
Rule 5, did I fall asleep a bit and wake up and it was on my screen? Upvote.
Rule 6, do I need to pee? No upvote.
Yw, guys.
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lol lmao
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@Meg has consistently auto-upvoted me. For which I will forever cherish her for.
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@Herja gotta keep 'em wanting more.
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I like my tiny hit of dopamine and this is why I post kittens.
Edit: accidentally put two periods and it feels passive aggressive so much meaning in little dots
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@sao I do recall upvoting people who I generally donāt agree with very often, only to be asked later by someone else āI thought that you donāt like them? Why did you upvote what they said?ā
I remember answering something to the affect, āJust because I donāt like them doesnāt mean they canāt have a good point or that I can never agree with them.ā.
I don't know what I'm doing. Poke at Seven Nations sevennations.aresmush.com port 2021
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Who are these people with TIME to see who upvoted what?!
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@Testament said in Heckler's veto:
@sao I do recall upvoting people who I generally donāt agree with very often, only to be asked later by someone else āI thought that you donāt like them? Why did you upvote what they said?ā
I remember answering something to the affect, āJust because I donāt like them doesnāt mean they canāt have a good point or that I can never agree with them.ā.
Yeah, see, Iād find it very weird to be interrogated by someone about why I upvoted a post based on their idea of me not liking the poster.
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@Roz I attribute it to a certain level of tribalism. The concept of āwell me and these people(family/friends/etc) stand against this other group of people because they once said x or did y or zā. Iāll note that I donāt really talk to the person anymore who I had this conversation with, because I realized that wasnāt a mentality I really wanted to have or be apart of. We donāt talk anymore.
