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Heckler's veto
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On a more serious note, I find upvotes valuable as a social tool. When a post seems legit to me, I give it an upvote. When a post feels off in some way, I check to see the upvotes to see if I read it wrong, or if I’m just completely off base with what I’m thinking and consider the replies.
I’ve been swayed by upvotes to learn new things, new events, and more. Even when people upvote dead celebrity notifications, I find that useful.
Some posts don’t need upvotes. Not upvoting doesn’t necessarily mean disagreement or being ignored. Sometimes a post is just neutrally informational. Sometimes @pisscat shows up and showers you with upvotes.
For another aspect of upvotes, take a look at the Liberation MUSH thread(s). It doesn’t have as many upvotes because it feels like few people are aware of the situation and (at least in my experience) I’m not familiar with a number of the posters, or I’m not knowledgeable in the field of gnosis and freebies. I’m sure there are some good posts there, but I don’t have the experience necessary to give an upvote.
Unrelatedly, I also feel that without upvotes, it’s easier for predators to sneak in, but I don’t have anything to back this up.
Overall, I feel like upvotes are a good system for bestowing and verifying trust. When I first showed up, almost all of my posts got between 0 and 2 upvotes because I was an unknown entity who was making contributions, but nobody really knew who I was back then. If you’ve ever played VRChat, they have a system of trust where there more you hang out with people, the more you level up your friendship. I believe Celestra has something like this, too. It’s less possible to do that on a forum, but I think upvotes are a good substitute.
I don’t have a strong preference on whether or not to anonymize upvotes, though.
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@Roz I was just trying to explain the idea behind a thing.
I personally don’t care about upvotes, or downvotes, or anything like that because, if I am being brutally honest, faceless individuals on a forum don’t have a whole lot of power over me
I am from a time when things were more or less… harsher.
There were no performance trophies, negative things happened and we had to learn to accept them and deal with them in order to survive, and it was a whole different world.
So the idea of a perfect neutrality is just as useless to me as not having downvotes, or upvotes.
On this forum the only form of ‘acceptance’ at a glance is the ‘upvote’ so when someone doesn’t receive them then they and their views are not being ‘accepted’. Without a means to determine when something /is/ received negatively (at a glance) the ambiguity of ‘I am not getting upvotes’ vs ‘The only way people can show they don’t agree with something I posted is to not upvote’…
Ok getting rambly. Let me try to simplify for my own thought process.
Upvote is carrot.
There is no stick.
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@Testament I can respect that you can look at upvotes or lack thereof as commentary on your place in the community but I think we start to edge into dangerous territory when use personal feelings or insecurity to dictate policy. That, in my opinion, is how MSB has so many issues right now. I’m not going to say I never get bothered by anything said here or on MSB, but for me, the solution is to walk away and do something else and get out of that headspace and I usually realize that this isn’t a big deal.
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I mostly just keep wishing I could do Discord-style reactions instead of upvoting. >_>
They/Them
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@Ren That’s an option! In theory. I set it to the side at the time bc the possibility of snarky responses feels much more present.
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@Herja said in Heckler's veto:
@Testament I can respect that you can look at upvotes or lack thereof as commentary on your place in the community
That’s kind of the point though, I don’t believe that this is a good thing. I don’t think that you should look at upvotes or lack of them as some kind of representation of your standing within the community. Realistically, they should be some benign thing., not be a barometer on where you stand, and I don’t think that’s a healthy outlook to have. Because it’s really easy to fall into a bad habit of wanting to make sure you say the right thing all the time, every time.
It’s something I’ve thought a lot about, especially when I notice how I respond to things. Because it’s happened to me. I don’t like that I sometimes have a physical reaction when I upset or hurt someone’s feelings. If it happens to me, it might happen to others and I wanted to support anyone that deals with that, as I don’t think it’s a healthy way to think.
but I think we start to edge into dangerous territory when use personal feelings or insecurity to dictate policy. That, in my opinion, is how MSB has so many issues right now.
This is a fair point, and I have zero desire to dictate how people can act, even if it’s simply supporting someone else has said. Hence why I wanted to see where people stood on the matter. Was it simply something to have because we’ve always had it, or do we even need it? Should we even have it, regardless of personal feelings.
I’m not going to say I never get bothered by anything said here or on MSB, but for me, the solution is to walk away and do something else and get out of that headspace and I usually realize that this isn’t a big deal.
This is why I don’t really look at BMD when I’m home, only when I’m at work.
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This is gonna sound super trite but like, I think the answer is just to try not to see the upvotes as a big deal. Like idk about you but while I upvote stuff I like I also sporadically just don’t upvote, especially if I’m strapped for time or if the conversation is flowing quickly.
Overwhelmingly, upvotes are gonna land the most one either well-written novels or pithy quips. Because they made me stop and think or laugh.
tldr; upvotes don’t correlate in aggregate and are probably mostly just useful as a descriptor of a post, not a person
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@shit-piss-love said in Heckler's veto:
Like idk about you but while I upvote stuff I like I also sporadically just don’t upvote, especially if I’m strapped for time or if the conversation is flowing quickly.
Just so you guys know, I upvote things specifically with chaos in mind.
I have a bunch of upvote rules, that aren’t ‘I agree’.
Rule 1, does it insult me or tell me to go away? Upvote.
Rule 2, is it Hellfrog? Auto upvote.
Rule 3, did I do a thing that could count as a laugh when I read it? Upvote.
Rule 4, upvote all playlist posts. (But only original.)
Rule 5, did I fall asleep a bit and wake up and it was on my screen? Upvote.
Rule 6, do I need to pee? No upvote.
Yw, guys.
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lol lmao
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@Meg has consistently auto-upvoted me. For which I will forever cherish her for.
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@Herja gotta keep 'em wanting more.
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I like my tiny hit of dopamine and this is why I post kittens.
Edit: accidentally put two periods and it feels passive aggressive so much meaning in little dots
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@sao I do recall upvoting people who I generally don’t agree with very often, only to be asked later by someone else “I thought that you don’t like them? Why did you upvote what they said?”
I remember answering something to the affect, “Just because I don’t like them doesn’t mean they can’t have a good point or that I can never agree with them.”.
I don't know what I'm doing. Poke at Seven Nations sevennations.aresmush.com port 2021
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Who are these people with TIME to see who upvoted what?!
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@Testament said in Heckler's veto:
@sao I do recall upvoting people who I generally don’t agree with very often, only to be asked later by someone else “I thought that you don’t like them? Why did you upvote what they said?”
I remember answering something to the affect, “Just because I don’t like them doesn’t mean they can’t have a good point or that I can never agree with them.”.
Yeah, see, I’d find it very weird to be interrogated by someone about why I upvoted a post based on their idea of me not liking the poster.
she/her | playlist
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@Roz I attribute it to a certain level of tribalism. The concept of “well me and these people(family/friends/etc) stand against this other group of people because they once said x or did y or z”. I’ll note that I don’t really talk to the person anymore who I had this conversation with, because I realized that wasn’t a mentality I really wanted to have or be apart of. We don’t talk anymore.
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The amount of shit I get in other corners of the internet for “omg you don’t like them why would you agree with them” and “how dare you disagree with me I thought you liked me” is…unfortunately telling about our species, I think. I still run into these impulses on occasion even amongst present company, and I’ve done it myself, too.
This is a good chunk of where the whole “cliquish” accusation comes in in the hobby at large; folks agree on some key points, which of COURSE wouldn’t happen if they weren’t all friends that backed each other up – this is a “go to” assumption for human creatures for a variety of survival brain pathway reasons (and then also some dumb reasons too).
It is preferable to attribute it to tribalism over assuming that two people acting independently both came to the conclusion to disagree with you.
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@Meg said in Heckler's veto:
Rule 2, is it Hellfrog? Auto upvote.
OH I WOULD LIKE IT STATED FOR THE RECORD that i don’t autovote hellfrog because she’s a friend.
i autovote so that the two posts that i didn’t upvote of hers will stand out all the more.
no i will not say which ones.
you have to go find them.
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@Meg I don’t envy your direct message inbox.
(psst @hellfrog – live up to your name and give @Meg hell for not having 100% upvote rate from her)
