Suspected Superhero Creeping Or Something
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@Pavel said in DWOPP-spotting:
@Coin said in DWOPP-spotting:
I don’t even care, don’t even think it’s ‘unethical’ or anything
I do. I fucking hate alt-crossing more than political conversations.
I mean, I get it. I just started in a different culture where that sort of thing was okay because it was transparent and part of the way everyone told cohesive, joint stories.
It’s a preference, and a hill I don’t particularly feel the need to die on.
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I guess it depends on the context for me. If it’s harmless fluff, it’s fine. Whatever.
If it’s someone trying to set my PC up with another PC and I find out that someone is playing both characters, oof. Or I find out they’re trying to engineer a situation where they’re manipulating me for their alt’s benefit at all without telling me, oof.
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@GF said in DWOPP-spotting:
@IoleRae said in DWOPP-spotting:
Yes. It has been established explicitly that they are not. That does not in any way, shape, or form mean that the accusation wasn’t made, or that it removes the right of that person to talk about it.
I agree with this. I suppose where I’m disconnected from you is, I do not think Lithium is DWOPP or that anyone should think he is. I consider that matter settled, to a degree that it kind of confuses me anyone could still think that’s the issue at play here rather than how he has treated multiple people (I thought I only knew four, but more have come out of the woodwork to tell me their stories in the last few hours).
My disconnect here is that I don’t get to decide that the matter is settled for the person that had the accusation leveled against them, you don’t, nobody does but them. It’s an absolutely terrible thing to say about somebody that automatically gets the emotions up and going.
I was nearly incoherent in response to the Hobos shit, and there was no genuine threat of anybody believing a damn thing that he said. I was safe. I didn’t FEEL safe, but I was safe.
It would be hypocritical of me to not demand the same space for somebody else just because I don’t like them.
That is the lens I am viewing this conflict through. To me, this has nothing to do with mistaken identity. To me, it’s about his defense echoing the behaviors that got people thinking in the first place he would not be safe to be around. Do you disagree?
Yes, I do. I am not seeing the defense echoing the behaviors here. I AM seeing somebody that I do not like have an emotional reaction to nastiness, but I do not see anything abusive to it.
Maybe that would be different were I privy to somebody’s discord conversations, but I have been on the receiving end of Macha trying to make me interpret somebody else’s behavior as terrible before, so.
the entity previously known as Sunny
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@Pavel I agree. And again…where did I say anything more than 'DWOPP might be back again," without naming names and locations? Where did I give a clue of the player in question or the game before ZG and Lithium spoke up?
If we can’t even give a general ‘heads up’ while actively keeping names and locations out of the conversation, then what’s even the point of trying to warn the community of potentially toxic behavior. You’re giving the abuser what they need: time to embed themselves further for whatever purpose is their goal.
Toxic behavior was observed. Staff was alerted. The community was alerted to be on guard, like a neighborhood being warned that someone’s house was broken into and the police are investigating. No names were disclosed. The investigation was allowed to proceed and was concluded.
Bottom line: I will never make an accusation of ‘so-and-so is doing this…’ without proof. I accept that not everyone is going to interpret POV the same way, which is why I try to give a ‘heads up’ while things are still being investigated by Staff.
Or would you rather that everyone just stay silent and ignore the potential of someone acting sus and letting them keep doing what they’re doing?
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@tsar said in DWOPP-spotting:
I guess it depends on the context for me. If it’s harmless fluff, it’s fine. Whatever.
If it’s someone trying to set my PC up with another PC and I find out that someone is playing both characters, oof. Or I find out they’re trying to engineer a situation where they’re manipulating me for their alt’s benefit at all without telling me, oof.
Right. Transparency is key in these situations.
To be clear: I do not think Runescryer/Tony was ignorant of this at all.
In Occam I trust.
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@Coin said in DWOPP-spotting:
@tsar said in DWOPP-spotting:
I guess it depends on the context for me. If it’s harmless fluff, it’s fine. Whatever.
If it’s someone trying to set my PC up with another PC and I find out that someone is playing both characters, oof. Or I find out they’re trying to engineer a situation where they’re manipulating me for their alt’s benefit at all without telling me, oof.
Right. Transparency is key in these situations.
To be clear: I do not think Runescryer/Tony was ignorant of this at all.
Good point, thanks for the clarification. I’m losing track of all these superhero alts.
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@tsar Yeah, if it’s harmless then I’ll probably not even notice. But I like a very strong clear distinction between character and player knowledge, which is all the harder when you’ve got all your alts RPing with the same character.
And it’s rife for this kind of bullshit.
@Runescryer said in DWOPP-spotting:
while actively keeping names and locations out of the conversation
Except you didn’t keep names out. You specifically mentioned DWOPP. You didn’t give a general creeper warning, you specifically called one specific predator out by name.
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@Runescryer said in DWOPP-spotting:
Toxic behavior was observed.
I think this is where people are waiting with signs that say CITATION NEEDED.
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@Tez said in DWOPP-spotting:
@Runescryer said in DWOPP-spotting:
Toxic behavior was observed.
I think this is where people are waiting with signs that say CITATION NEEDED.
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@Runescryer The thing is, you proudly touted that you “HAD RECEIPTS” and made a big deal out of it, and then when you brought it out, what it looked like was you going “this character was mean to my character so this guy is a creep
:(”Frankly, I don’t think anybody looks good here, this is some of the most asinine drama to hit, but you were the one who went immediately “THIS MIGHT BE DWOPP” and stirred up that possibility. The person wasn’t. You jumped to one of the worst possible conclusions because … you didn’t like a potential way the story might go, because of a private scene?
and lord, we all know what I think of Lithium. I fully expect ZG had their reasons for the bans, and that they were based off of patterns of behavior. But you made a very specific accusation and then your evidence sucked.
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@Runescryer said in DWOPP-spotting:
The community was alerted to be on guard, like a neighborhood being warned that someone’s house was broken into and the police are investigating. No names were disclosed. The investigation was allowed to proceed and was concluded.
Just to reiterate the main thrust of my point: That’s not what you did. You warned the neighbourhood that Charles Manson might be the one breaking into the houses.
The thread you started is actually titled “The All-New Down With OPP Thread.”
He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
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@IoleRae said in DWOPP-spotting:
I have been on the receiving end of Macha trying to make me interpret somebody else’s behavior as terrible before, so.
Yeah she seems to like doing that a lot.
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@Coin I knew the Ares handle, because that’s always been in the profile. I didn’t know it was Lithium, because there was no indication of their MSB handle.
And while I don’t use my Ares handle, also @runescryer I believe, I’ve been open to players whose Ares handles match accounts that I recognize. I’ve approached a couple of players first, in that way.
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I’d like to note that Charles Manson would never break into anyone’s house. He had minions for that.
I’ll see myself out.
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@Runescryer said in DWOPP-spotting:
@Coin I knew the Ares handle, because that’s always been in the profile. I didn’t know it was Lithium, because there was no indication of their MSB handle.
And while I don’t use my Ares handle, also @runescryer I believe, I’ve been open to players whose Ares handles match accounts that I recognize. I’ve approached a couple of players first, in that way.
What are you even responding to? I’m lost.
Y’all, what is going on.
Mom, MOM.
In Occam I trust.
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@Coin time to go to bed. Did you wash behind your ears?
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@Coin said in DWOPP-spotting:
Y’all, what is going on.
I dunno, but it better stop by the time I sober up.
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@Pavel Again…
Please point out where I said that DOPP=Lithium?
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@IoleRae Then I am probably projecting my perspective onto others, and I apologize.
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@Runescryer said in DWOPP-spotting:
@Pavel Again…
Please point out where I said that DOPP=Lithium?
Y- are y- I just- what?
Did I take mushrooms by accident again?
