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Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo
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@GF Oh shit, I didn’t even close-read that line. Jesus. I don’t want to hate all men, I am a man.
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@RedShoes said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
I believe he gets himself overly excited, and is capable of acting out. I believe just about everyone is capable of that, some worse than others.
BOYS WILL BE BOYS
sexually slanted harassment
It’s just called sexual harassment.
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@64bitjedi said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@helvetica said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
I mean, if I were you I would cut ties with this mess. Maybe you could help build something worthwhile with some of these players who are dedicated to making a better, more socially responsible game.
When the people who will defend others leave a space, that space gets worse. People need to know there is someone they can report this stuff to.
There’s no being a safe space collaborator when the person in charge is rotten. There’s only making the issues public and either ousting or leaving. If you think that you leaving the game would mean that no one else on staff would defend others, you’ve already lost. You can’t save a game from that situation. The fish rots from the head. You cannot have a functional staff wherein any staffers are fundamentally unsafe to report these sorts of issues to, much less the majority of staffers.
Frankly, no one who has had to be given multiple warnings about inappropriate jerks that others reported as sexual harassment should ever really be considered for staff positions, IMO. The “I’ve been watching him for improvement” should be about him being able to remain as a player on the game, not be a fucking staffer with power over other players, including those he has harassed.
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@Roz said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
The “I’ve been watching him for improvement” should be about him being able to remain as a player on the game, not be a fucking staffer with power over other players, including those he has harassed.
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@64bitjedi This is not personal. I do not know you. If you stay on that game with that person in charge, you’re the asshole.
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@GF First I would have to have any idea who made the complaints, and I think we all know why me suddenly asking for the names of accusers might have pretty bad optics.
Nobody is going to believe me if I suddenly show up on scene, telling everyone, “Hey guys! Banshee is here! You’re all safe now!” That would be hilariously dumb. I also can’t make that promise yet. I never said those things because I can’t deliver those things. I can’t provide restitution for the people who were hurt.
I cannot undo what has happened. I don’t think I can even provide some measure of comfort to people that were wronged. But someone in the community is here, putting themselves out there for the discussion. So if you want to discuss this, there you go. If you don’t, that’s fine too.
Also, I never promised that I was good at this. I never pretended to be an expert.
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@helvetica said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@64bitjedi This is not personal. I do not know you. If you stay on that game with that person in charge, you’re the asshole.
I know that this issue is a hand grenade, so I’m trying to keep my feelings in check because my pride won’t help anyone. But being called ignorant and incompetent by others feels pretty personal. I know that wasn’t you, but, jeeze.
*Clarified whose pride I meant.
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@64bitjedi said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@helvetica said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@64bitjedi This is not personal. I do not know you. If you stay on that game with that person in charge, you’re the asshole.
I know that this issue is a hand grenade, so I’m trying to keep my feelings in check because pride won’t help anyone. But being called ignorant and incompetent by others feels pretty personal. I know that wasn’t you, but, jeeze.
Word. Being sexually harassed is also very personal.
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Hadrix and Sumi are both toxic as fuck, and them continuing to remain in positions of power dooms the game as long as it exists.
It shows that all Cujo cares about is scene numbers and activity. Not about all the people they bully and hurt.
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@64bitjedi Not to double @ you, but you’re allowed to take a break from this conversation. It’s obvious you’re having trouble with some of the things that this group thinks may redeem you. At some point, you’re just being a punching bag for somebody else. And we keep punching, here.
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@64bitjedi said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@helvetica said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@64bitjedi This is not personal. I do not know you. If you stay on that game with that person in charge, you’re the asshole.
I know that this issue is a hand grenade, so I’m trying to keep my feelings in check because my pride won’t help anyone. But being called ignorant and incompetent by others feels pretty personal. I know that wasn’t you, but, jeeze.
I mean, unless you’re going to come in with proof that all of the stuff that’s been discussed is a pack of lies, then I’m afraid your options are: ignorant, incompetent, or actively malicious. Like, sorry, but even if you are a super upstanding dude yourself, if you’ve been a part of staff for years and have failed to notice the level of rottenness being described, then yeah, that’s incompetence. Or willful blindness.
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@64bitjedi said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
First I would have to have any idea who made the complaints
No you don’t. You just have to know that complaints have been ignored and swept under the rug. You just have to know that harassment under Cujo’s watch has caused at least 8 players to leave the game due to discomfort with sex pests on the game. That’s a bare minimum, because 8 corroborated stories have come to light.
Imagine how many more reported things to Cujo which went ignored.
Imagine how many more left without saying a word.
Your game is dying because Cujo would rather keep 5 sex pests (including himself) than 30 non sex pests.
What are you going to do about that?
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@Roz So my line of thinking is this:
Someone sends me a link to this thread, with a lot of information I didn’t know about. I can either ignore it, or, I can try and get in on the discussion and find out why I didn’t know.
Don’t get me wrong: I knew showing my face would be putting blood in the water. I accept that. But that wasn’t going to change in time.
I’m here trying to be part of the conversation. I’m not here to defend the actions of other people (though I am willing to defend mine), and I’m not here to call people liars. I’m just here.
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@64bitjedi You can’t just be here. Games don’t function without coders. You’re someone with influence on that game, and you are being presented with the opportunity to no longer support someone who is demonstratively not interested in changing their deeply troubling behavior. No amount of placating language is going to change that.
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(:Public:) Ax (A) is curious what Kasia/Zephyr did that was bad enough to have not only her, but those people associated with her get their alts destroyed and their primary characters (some of who were on vacation) sent to the Old Guard Lounge and @passworded? Is that the new standard of dealing with people who investigate claims of sexual harassment here? Burn them and their associates? I’m just curious
(:Public:) Cujo
says, “Ax, you don’t care about any of those things.”
(:Public:) Cujo says, “If you did, you’d put in a request to talk privately.”
(:Public:) Cujo says, “But you didn’t do that, you posted it publicly because you want to make a huge show of things.”
(:Public:) Cujo sayz, “So now you’re banned from this channel, well done.”DO NOT SPEAK OUT, OR YOU WILL BE SILENCED, etc etc. Shocker.
Mummy Pun? MUMMY PUN!
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@Jennkryst “How dare you call me out in public instead of DMing me where I can deny it ever happened?”
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@64bitjedi said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
I also can’t make that promise yet. I never said those things because I can’t deliver those things. I can’t provide restitution for the people who were hurt.
I cannot undo what has happened. I don’t think I can even provide some measure of comfort to people that were wronged.
ETA: So…what does you “being here” accomplish, my dude?
You’ve provided a half-assed defense of your own involvement and some attempted back-and-forth about the code, which isn’t really what any of this was about in the first place. But you’re literally saying you won’t commit to help or even try to comfort the people involved, so it sounds like the first part is really all you came here to do – cover your own butt.
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@Jennkryst said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
(:Public:) Ax (A) is curious what Kasia/Zephyr did that was bad enough to have not only her, but those people associated with her get their alts destroyed and their primary characters (some of who were on vacation) sent to the Old Guard Lounge and @passworded? Is that the new standard of dealing with people who investigate claims of sexual harassment here? Burn them and their associates? I’m just curious
(:Public:) Cujo says, “Ax, you don’t care about any of those things.”
(:Public:) Cujo says, “If you did, you’d put in a request to talk privately.”
(:Public:) Cujo says, “But you didn’t do that, you posted it publicly because you want to make a huge show of things.”
(:Public:) Cujo sayz, “So now you’re banned from this channel, well done.”DO NOT SPEAK OUT, OR YOU WILL BE SILENCED, etc etc. Shocker.
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@GF said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@64bitjedi said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@GF said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@64bitjedi said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
When the people who will defend others leave a space, that space gets worse. People need to know there is someone they can report this stuff to.
If this thread is the first time you’re hearing most of these complaints, then people do not know or believe there is someone that can report this stuff to.
Which is the only reason I’m here trying.
Let me get this straight. Your goal here is to make people understand that you will be their advocate, and that’s why your first post was to say you never played on some other game we’re not really even talking about? That’s why you haven’t reached out to anyone who’s made an accusation and offered to listen? That’s why your tone has been pedantic and defensive? That’s why when people ask what you’re doing, you answer in the vaguest possible terms that could not possibly provide any comfort or confidence to the people who have been hurt on your game?
I will try to give you the benefit of the doubt that you actually believe you’re here to let victims of your game know they’re safe in your hands, but even if you believe it, the level of thoughtlessness and incompetence you are displaying is unconscionable. You are so bad at the thing you claim to want to do that you are actively doing harm to your own purported cause. You seriously need to step out of that role immediately until you have done hard research into how to talk to victims of sexual harassment.
I suppose me telling you this obligates me to give you a crash course on the topic, but I am much too tired to deal with it and too flabbergasted to do so with any degree of good faith.
If this is how you treat people who are trying to help, I can start to understand why no one tries to help.
I don’t know anyone in this situation very well. But what I do know is that no one on staff over there but @64bitjedi is offering anything but a giant wall of IGNORE or denials for the situation.
Even if the help is shitty (which I don’t think that it is, especially considering that he has had no obligation to try to help or explain anything or make anyone feel better and was specifically told not to but chose to do it anyway) it is still more help than anyone else has gotten. And instead of building on that, you just want to unload all your anger on this person.
If you’re trying to make him go away so that you can continue to scream/complain into the void without any possibility of anything ever improving, then keep it up, you are definitely off to a good start.
But personally, I’d suggest going another route and actually trying to work with the person that is trying to work with you.
@helvetica said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@64bitjedi You can’t just be here. Games don’t function without coders. You’re someone with influence on that game, and you are being presented with the opportunity to no longer support someone who is demonstratively not interested in changing their deeply troubling behavior. No amount of placating language is going to change that.
If he’s someone with influence on that game how does it help to remove himself from the game? You have someone that has the power to change things and you ask them to give up all that power and leave it to the people who are doing all the bad things? That doesn’t make any sense… except…
It definitely helps all the hurt/angry people that would like to see the place fail as revenge, but it doesn’t actually help the game itself in any way.
So what really is the goal? Improving the situation or scorched earth revengery?
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Clearly the upset people should just smile more.
