Bannings

IoleRae

The lengths people go to to avoid saying the words “I’m sorry” makes it feel like they’re worried saying the words is going to make them melt (like the wicked witch and the bucket of water). It shouldn’t surprise me.

BloodAngel

@IoleRae taking personal accountability is hard sadly. It is not a skill many have skill points in. Something we are struggling with in life. But the level going on now is almost herculean effort and reality bending on a scarlet witch level.

Testament

@kalakh To err is human, to forgive is divine.

I said this earlier today, but I’m just tired of the ticky tack crap that I see inundated around various places like mush forums and the like. It won’t change, and I think people are far too caught up in how they’re perceived and being able to apologize or seek to be better isn’t looked upon favorably. Or simply believing that people are incapable of change.

Not really sure what I think about that these days. But I often see pride more often than not get in the way rational thought.

IoleRae

@BloodAngel

It IS hard, which is why it shouldn’t surprise me that folks elect to rewrite their reality instead. Such a fucking shame.

Testament

@BloodAngel I think one of the hardest things you do is admit that you were wrong, and take accountability in what your were wrong about.

I don’t believe there is, or should be, shame in that. And when that does happen, I don’t think people should get drug for it.

Jennkryst

@kalakh said in Bannings:

The new argument that this is merely the result of wanting more moderation and people are just mad that they are being moderated (because they’re super hypocrites and are now getting theirs), sure is a take.

People wanted moderation to fork threads or move them to different boards, and to ban the rapists or that one guy who sprouts up every couple months and tries to set everything on fire. So technically yes, more moderation was wanted.

But it is an extremely bad faith reading that the logical conclusion is ‘ban everyone who dares to speak out’. Pretty against the spirit of the job that was asked to be done, you might say.

BloodAngel

@Testament @kalakh Indeed. But, this too shall pass.

Testament

@BloodAngel said in Bannings:

@Testament @kalakh Indeed. But, this too shall pass.

True.

But it often feels like an eternity for it to pass.

BloodAngel

@Testament It does indeed. Why I stay in this community rping has helped me through some very bad spots over the years.

Roz

@Jennkryst said in Bannings:

@kalakh said in Bannings:

The new argument that this is merely the result of wanting more moderation and people are just mad that they are being moderated (because they’re super hypocrites and are now getting theirs), sure is a take.

People wanted moderation to fork threads or move them to different boards, and to ban the rapists or that one guy who sprouts up every couple months and tries to set everything on fire. So technically yes, more moderation was wanted.

But it is an extremely bad faith reading that the logical conclusion is ‘ban everyone who dares to speak out’. Pretty against the spirit of the job that was asked to be done, you might say.

And, you know, I don’t think anyone disagrees that someone who is actually harassing someone in DMs doesn’t deserve moderation. The point was that someone going “what are you even talking about, okay fine, message received, bye” and then blocking the other person isn’t engaging in harassment, even if there are multiple sentences in their last message. People got mad because it was actually an abuse of authority – and, ironically, directly contrary to their newly stated goals of following the spirit of the law rather than the letter. And the comparison to Ortallus, someone who flung around verbal abuse to multiple women on the board, is so fucking insulting.

kalakh

@Roz said in Bannings:

@Jennkryst said in Bannings:

@kalakh said in Bannings:

The new argument that this is merely the result of wanting more moderation and people are just mad that they are being moderated (because they’re super hypocrites and are now getting theirs), sure is a take.

People wanted moderation to fork threads or move them to different boards, and to ban the rapists or that one guy who sprouts up every couple months and tries to set everything on fire. So technically yes, more moderation was wanted.

But it is an extremely bad faith reading that the logical conclusion is ‘ban everyone who dares to speak out’. Pretty against the spirit of the job that was asked to be done, you might say.

And, you know, I don’t think anyone disagrees that someone who is actually harassing someone in DMs doesn’t deserve moderation. The point was that someone going “what are you even talking about, okay fine, message received, bye” and then blocking the other person isn’t engaging in harassment, even if there are multiple sentences in their last message. People got mad because it was actually an abuse of authority – and, ironically, directly contrary to their newly stated goals of following the spirit of the law rather than the letter. And the comparison to Ortallus, someone who flung around verbal abuse to multiple women on the board, is so fucking insulting.

Ah, but you see, wanting specific and measured enforcement means you want all the enforcement and by anyone elevated to the position and every decision is clearly what you were after, bing bong so simple.

hellfrog

@IoleRae said in Bannings:

@kalakh

The lengths people go to to avoid saying the words “I’m sorry” makes it feel like they’re worried saying the words is going to make them melt (like the wicked witch and the bucket of water). It shouldn’t surprise me.

and yet it always does

I don’t get it, man. I don’t actually think it’s that hard to take responsibility and apologize.

Jennkryst

@tsar said in Bannings:

Thank you @Meg for giving me the second ban of my life.

Yet I am sure you did not get your personalized ban message, either! There is only one solution: we must all be un-banned, given our message, and then banned promptly after we inform her that the Message [has been] Received.

Pavel

I believe the banning messages are saved in a log file. But I’m not sure if that’s saved locally for Meg or is stored somewhere else.

Roz

Congrats to the lucky winners of the unban lottery!

Honestly: really fucking wild.

BloodAngel

@Roz I am the law

tsar

All I could do was laugh at seeing that my ban was permenant. I’ve never been banned anywhere in 20 years of MUing. I never even had a “serious” conversation about my behavior. No warnings. I’m as interesting or scandalous as toasted white bread with nothing on it.

But I’m banned for asking why Gany didn’t just lock some threads or step away. Makes sense.