City of Glass - Discussion
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While I had some stumbling blocks in chargen, that’s mostly on me; it’s a pretty sweet design, although I’m used to very different systems - not being tied intrinsically to the wiki, for example, which I think is pretty damned cool.
So far, after about a two hour, thirty-minute process, I came up with a good concept and was able to touch base with a responsive, friendly, and approachable Staffer (hi, Crow!) and a fellow player whom I am very happy to see again, which is some positive buzz, by my own metrics.
8/10, am considering an alt already.
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@catzilla said in City of Glass - Discussion:
In spite of the few OOC creepies on the server…
Fewer now!
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Split off some of the discussion of the recent ban at a poster’s request to its own thread:
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Minus one Michelin star for “unclear help file” work.
If a system is supposed to work a specific way, say it is supposed to work that way. If it isn’t, update a file or something, maybe?
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@OnceWas No need to be rude about it tho
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@Snackness The intention wasn’t to be rude; it’s to try to make it, if possible, something funny. It’s easier to make it a joke than an insult if I plan to stay, which I do. Weird as it sounds, I like the place. What I don’t like is bad documentation; it’s used to create problems for players much easier than it’s ever addressed - looking at you, The Reach, yes, I am. When players are worth those extra five minutes’ time, we feel we’re more valued. When they’re not, that’s not often a great sign. Hence, a tone of concern was also a feature.
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@OnceWas As has already been explained to you, the help files explain what commands do. Not the policy on their use. Going onto a Pennmush game and typing help @dig does the same thing, whether you can @dig or not.
Intentional or not, complaining here while this is being explained on the game is a touch on the rude side.
He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
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@OnceWas said in City of Glass - Discussion:
The intention wasn’t to be rude; it’s to try to make it, if possible, something funny. It’s easier to make it a joke than an insult if I plan to stay, which I do
Which part was the joke? Because it seems like it did not land.
ETA: joking when you’re making a complaint actually has a higher quotient of coming off as an asshole, because it can make a comment sound passive aggressive instead of lighthearted
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@Pavel The phrase used was “lack of clarity”.
It’s not a case of “you didn’t use form J-11, the orange one” it’s a question of “we use telepathic turtles, not paperwork”. That’s not a lack of clarity. Then someone else adds on that I’m apparently illiterate, saying that the help file I’m looking at is most definitely not saying what they’re seeing - I provide a link to them, suddenly I’m being rude.
Of course, them not citing their source, that’s… uh. Well, let’s focus on six people telling me I’m wrong, so I can be wrong six times in a row, okay?
I said the documentation wasn’t clear. It’s not clear. The documentation I said didn’t contain any mention of admin being required did not make mention of admin being required. Those aren’t opinions. They’re details.
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@OnceWas said in City of Glass - Discussion:
Of course, them not citing their source, that’s… uh
That was me. And I did ‘cite my source’.
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<Questions> Percival (@Tinuviel) says, “It’s literally the first line.”
<Questions> Percival (@Tinuviel) says, “help build: Permission Required: These commands require the Admin role or the build permission.”"
Emphasis mine and not from the original.
The fact that the file you mentioned is in the “~admin~” section might have given you a clue, too.
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https://cityofglass.aresmush.com/help/building_tutorial
CTL-F results of “admin”: 2.
Any mentions made of “required admin powers or roles”? No.Hm.
Sorry, how did I arrive at this link? Let’s examine. -
Typing “help build”
Leads to this:
https://cityofglass.aresmush.com/help/building
First Line:
“Permission Required: These commands require the Admin role or the build permission.”
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@Pavel
Weird.
So, following my link, uh… any “different” outcome, maybe? -
@OnceWas Not really. You’re still being rude trying to be ‘funny’ here while staff is trying to explain that help files describe commands not policy.
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@Pavel
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@OnceWas said in City of Glass - Discussion:
Any mentions made of “required admin powers or roles”? No.
You could have just pointed it out in a constructive manner, y’know: “Oh, btw, the building tutorial doesn’t mention the required roles.”
And you’d be correct - it should. I will fix it. But really, 1 star for bad help files because one help article out of hundreds has a mild omission seems a bit… much?
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@Faraday
…yes, because all MU* are rated by Michelin star ratings.
I said “minus one” from its rating, which is five, thus far. It’s a great place. Bad documentation, eh, maybe not such a thrilling attraction. -
@OnceWas said in City of Glass - Discussion:
I said “minus one” from its rating, which is five, thus far. It’s a great place. Bad documentation, eh, maybe not such a thrilling attraction.
I misunderstood. My mistake.
Nonetheless - a sweeping statement of “bad documentation” and players not being worth “five minutes of extra time” over one single documentation omission is bafflingly aggressive.
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I’d just like to note that before the exchange with Pavel about admin or not etc., the building staffer in question apologized to you for the lack of clarity and noted that adjustments to the documentation about this are on the to-do list to make it clear that the build staffer will be doing builds on request.
So like-- even build staff agreed that this was an issue that they plan to resolve but meanwhile you decided to show your butt about it anyways.
People don’t need to be telling you you’re wrong to be telling you your approach is not great.
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@sao After a dialogue with said staffer, whom I found to be a very helpful and thorough assistant throughout the process, I am certain the oversight will be addressed. The continued hate I’m getting is also speaking a lot about how much, or little, people want any amount of friction generated, which is somewhat coloring my concerns, as well.
