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    SpaceKhomeini @Jumpscare
    last edited by 5 Apr 2023, 22:09

    @Jumpscare

    Don’t think you can use online translation tools for this either.

    American/Canadian English to Glaswegian Scots is just something that hasn’t been properly automated. Until I can find an algorithm that can properly figure out just when “bawbag” should enter a sentence, I will cling to this stance.

    I woke up feeling so good, I think I’d better call in sick/ I need a personal trainer to help me hold my drink
    I plan to be spontaneous next time we meet/I’m putting off procrastinating until next week
    I’ll get onto it when I give a shit

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      Snackness @Cobalt
      last edited by 5 Apr 2023, 22:16

      @Cobalt I have never asked anyone to stop it. I just come to this place and bitch about it.

      (that’s not true, I bitched at WORA and MSB, this place didn’t exist when the accents were thick on the ground)

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        Gashlycrumb @SpaceKhomeini
        last edited by 5 Apr 2023, 22:36

        @SpaceKhomeini said in MU Peeves Thread:

        Until I can find an algorithm that can properly figure out just when “bawbag” should enter a sentence, I will cling to this stance.

        AI will never manage this, and in Scotland, CAPTCHA asks you to correctly place ‘bawbag’ in a pre-generated sentence.

        BUT just throwing it in randomly works about 80% of the time.

        "This is Liberty Hall; you can spit on the mat and call the cat a bastard!"
        – A. Bertram Chandler

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          hellfrog @Gashlycrumb
          last edited by 6 Apr 2023, 00:56

          @Gashlycrumb said in MU Peeves Thread:

          “Society invents a spurious convoluted logic tae absorb and change people whae’s behaviour is outside its mainstream. Suppose that ah ken aw the pros and cons, know that ah’m gaunnae huv a short life, am ah sound mind, ectetera, ectetera, but still want tae use smack? They won’t let ye dae it. They won’t let ye dae it, because it’s seen as a sign ay thir ain failure."
          – Irvine Welsh, Trainspotting.

          This is terrible, and I hate reading it. I’m sorry.

          fr fr
          (she/her)

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            Pavel
            last edited by 6 Apr 2023, 01:03

            I will say that lots of what people are picking out as accents, like cannae and dinnae etc aren’t actually just accents, they’re elements of Scots. A language (or dialect, depending on your definition) all its own.

            A minor gripe, to be sure, but fuck lexical essentialism.

            He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
            BE AN ADULT

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              Gashlycrumb @hellfrog
              last edited by Gashlycrumb 4 Jun 2023, 01:15 6 Apr 2023, 01:04

              @hellfrog And yet it’s a much-praised work, in spite of not winning a Booker and Welsh griping that the Booker is “imperialist” and “anti-Scottish.”

              I don’t think Welsh is so great.

              Maybe it doesn’t technically count as a “spelled out accent” but is Scots language.

              And

              Wee, sleekit, cowrin, tim’rous beastie,
              O, what a panic’s in thy breastie!
              Thou need na start awa sae hasty,
              Wi’ bickering brattle!
              I wad be laith to rin an’ chase thee,
              Wi’ murdering pattle!

              I’m truly sorry Man’s dominion
              Has broken Nature’s social union,
              An’ justifies that ill opinion
              Which makes thee startle
              At me, thy poor, earth-born companion
              An’ fellow-mortal!

              etc

              ETA Robbie Burns

              "This is Liberty Hall; you can spit on the mat and call the cat a bastard!"
              – A. Bertram Chandler

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                Polk @Pavel
                last edited by Polk 4 Jun 2023, 02:06 6 Apr 2023, 01:57

                @Pavel Right. The reason that, for example, Auld Lang Syne has so many strange words in it that it’s not in English. It’s in Scots.

                And well, a Scottish person jabbering away in Scots is going to be virtually unintelligible to most people. So you might as well just write <Scots intensifies>, or at least outright emit that <you probably wouldn’t understand but a word being said here> so people don’t feel the need to try to parse it.

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                  Snackness
                  last edited by Snackness 4 Jun 2023, 02:02 6 Apr 2023, 02:01

                  Y’all got me. It’s not that I hate typed out dialect, it’s that I hate Scots and I’m an unread bumpkin.

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                    Pavel @Polk
                    last edited by 6 Apr 2023, 02:06

                    @Polk There’s also the consideration that some folks can parse it rather easily, either natively or through exposure; therefore they simply don’t know that others can’t. So it’s not intended to be annoying, it’s just how they or people around them use language. So tell them.

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                    BE AN ADULT

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                      Polk @Pavel
                      last edited by 6 Apr 2023, 02:06

                      @Pavel Absolutely right. Assume the best, and you often get just that.

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                        Gashlycrumb @Snackness
                        last edited by 6 Apr 2023, 02:28

                        @Snackness Naw, you hate typed out dialect. You’re allowed.

                        "This is Liberty Hall; you can spit on the mat and call the cat a bastard!"
                        – A. Bertram Chandler

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                          GF @Cobalt
                          last edited by 6 Apr 2023, 02:46

                          @Cobalt said in MU Peeves Thread:

                          (At fifteen I was convinced only 100% strict “proper” English was correct. At fifteen I was an asshole.)

                          Did you have a copy of “Eats, Shoots and Leaves” with the panda stickers in the back to put on typos? I had a copy of “Eats, Shoots and Leaves” with the panda stickers in the back to put on typos.

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                            Roz @GF
                            last edited by 6 Apr 2023, 02:57

                            @GF said in MU Peeves Thread:

                            @Cobalt said in MU Peeves Thread:

                            (At fifteen I was convinced only 100% strict “proper” English was correct. At fifteen I was an asshole.)

                            Did you have a copy of “Eats, Shoots and Leaves” with the panda stickers in the back to put on typos? I had a copy of “Eats, Shoots and Leaves” with the panda stickers in the back to put on typos.

                            I had a copy of the book, and my parents still make comments and jokes about my grammar strictness, in the way that parents do when they don’t know you’ve outgrown a part of your childhood because you now understand the classist and racist nature of strict grammar adherence wait where are you going I’m not done with explaining–

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                              GF @Roz
                              last edited by 6 Apr 2023, 03:03

                              @Roz Your wording of your post made me notice that no one in this thread has said “grammar Nazi” and that makes me very happy.

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                                Roz @GF
                                last edited by 6 Apr 2023, 03:05

                                @GF Yeah, I also grew out of that one years back.

                                she/her | playlist

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                                  sao
                                  last edited by 6 Apr 2023, 03:13

                                  I doubt anyone who types out dialect is doing it because they intend to be annoying, they’re just succeeding at being annoying.

                                  let it be a challenge to you

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                                    Gashlycrumb
                                    last edited by 6 Apr 2023, 03:33

                                    When people type ‘viscous’ when they mean ‘vicious’ I find it interferes with my immersion.

                                    "This is Liberty Hall; you can spit on the mat and call the cat a bastard!"
                                    – A. Bertram Chandler

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                                      Roadspike @Gashlycrumb
                                      last edited by 6 Apr 2023, 04:05

                                      @Gashlycrumb But it’s much easier to immerse yourself in something viscous than something vicious.

                                      Formerly known as Seraphim73 (he/him)

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                                        Gashlycrumb @Roadspike
                                        last edited by 6 Apr 2023, 04:50

                                        @Roadspike This is the problem with the viscous attacks. I’m immersed, in the wrong way.

                                        "This is Liberty Hall; you can spit on the mat and call the cat a bastard!"
                                        – A. Bertram Chandler

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                                          Pavel @Gashlycrumb
                                          last edited by 6 Apr 2023, 05:48

                                          @Gashlycrumb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood

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                                          BE AN ADULT

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