MU Peeves Thread
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I will say that lots of what people are picking out as accents, like cannae and dinnae etc aren’t actually just accents, they’re elements of Scots. A language (or dialect, depending on your definition) all its own.
A minor gripe, to be sure, but fuck lexical essentialism.
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@hellfrog And yet it’s a much-praised work, in spite of not winning a Booker and Welsh griping that the Booker is “imperialist” and “anti-Scottish.”
I don’t think Welsh is so great.
Maybe it doesn’t technically count as a “spelled out accent” but is Scots language.
And
Wee, sleekit, cowrin, tim’rous beastie,
O, what a panic’s in thy breastie!
Thou need na start awa sae hasty,
Wi’ bickering brattle!
I wad be laith to rin an’ chase thee,
Wi’ murdering pattle!I’m truly sorry Man’s dominion
Has broken Nature’s social union,
An’ justifies that ill opinion
Which makes thee startle
At me, thy poor, earth-born companion
An’ fellow-mortal!etc
ETA Robbie Burns
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@Pavel Right. The reason that, for example, Auld Lang Syne has so many strange words in it that it’s not in English. It’s in Scots.
And well, a Scottish person jabbering away in Scots is going to be virtually unintelligible to most people. So you might as well just write <Scots intensifies>, or at least outright emit that <you probably wouldn’t understand but a word being said here> so people don’t feel the need to try to parse it.
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Y’all got me. It’s not that I hate typed out dialect, it’s that I hate Scots and I’m an unread bumpkin.
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@Polk There’s also the consideration that some folks can parse it rather easily, either natively or through exposure; therefore they simply don’t know that others can’t. So it’s not intended to be annoying, it’s just how they or people around them use language. So tell them.
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@Pavel Absolutely right. Assume the best, and you often get just that.
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@Snackness Naw, you hate typed out dialect. You’re allowed.
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@Cobalt said in MU Peeves Thread:
(At fifteen I was convinced only 100% strict “proper” English was correct. At fifteen I was an asshole.)
Did you have a copy of “Eats, Shoots and Leaves” with the panda stickers in the back to put on typos? I had a copy of “Eats, Shoots and Leaves” with the panda stickers in the back to put on typos.
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@GF said in MU Peeves Thread:
@Cobalt said in MU Peeves Thread:
(At fifteen I was convinced only 100% strict “proper” English was correct. At fifteen I was an asshole.)
Did you have a copy of “Eats, Shoots and Leaves” with the panda stickers in the back to put on typos? I had a copy of “Eats, Shoots and Leaves” with the panda stickers in the back to put on typos.
I had a copy of the book, and my parents still make comments and jokes about my grammar strictness, in the way that parents do when they don’t know you’ve outgrown a part of your childhood because you now understand the classist and racist nature of strict grammar adherence wait where are you going I’m not done with explaining–
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@Roz Your wording of your post made me notice that no one in this thread has said “grammar Nazi” and that makes me very happy.
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@GF Yeah, I also grew out of that one years back.
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I doubt anyone who types out dialect is doing it because they intend to be annoying, they’re just succeeding at being annoying.
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When people type ‘viscous’ when they mean ‘vicious’ I find it interferes with my immersion.
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@Gashlycrumb But it’s much easier to immerse yourself in something viscous than something vicious.
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@Roadspike This is the problem with the viscous attacks. I’m immersed, in the wrong way.
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@Pavel So my wife told me about her worst day at work ever, when a young kid came into the ER with constipation, and the doc ordered a milk and molasses enema.
Apparently it was like that scene from Daddy Daycare. You know the one.
And yes, I created an account just to make this comment.
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While this probably is meant for the RL peeves thread. I can only hope she was not the one that had to clean up.
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@Pavel said in MU Peeves Thread:
I will say that lots of what people are picking out as accents, like cannae and dinnae etc aren’t actually just accents, they’re elements of Scots. A language (or dialect, depending on your definition) all its own.
Agreed. But that kind of supports the point - we’re RPing in English. I neither speak nor understand written Scots. Just as no one should start writing all of their dialogue in Italian.
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@farfalla People do look at me funny when my Danish character starts ranting to himself in Danish.
But then, I don’t expect them to understand it and respond to it, either.