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MU Peeves Thread
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@Vulgar-Boy TOXIC!
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@Noraaa Everyone is allowed their hobbies.
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I don’t play HavenRPG. Just gonna clarify that upfront before I get the usual response of ‘omg then stop playing’. But I wanna say something about the gaslighting that takes place on its forums, and how that makes me feel about like, life in general and stuff.
So, one of the reasons I don’t play is it has a long-standing policy of never banning bad actors. A few examples of this of particular relevance to me is a guy called Ppurg who’s targeted me with virulent antisemitic remarks over the years, and a friend of his defending Holocaust denial on the game’s OOC channel.
Recently-ish … like 9 months ago now, but the fallout’s still being felt … the game was brigaded by a Neo-Nazi Discord group called Darkchat. People may have heard of them because they made some waves on Reddit when someone joined, disclosed an extensive cache of screenshots concerning their activities to multiple game-runners, and got them mass-banned from multiple games, including Armageddon, TI:L, the Free Zone, etc.
You would think that given Haven’s longstanding policy of never banning bad actors, they wouldn’t care, but they did. Specifically because this group of Nazi brigadiers had a stated mission of attacking the game itself, motivated by their disdain for its policy of permitting underage characters (and sexual scenes involving them), and by a personal feud with Ppurg, a former friend of theirs who actually invited them to the game in the first place.
I can sort of appreciate, tentatively, the hypocrisy of not giving a shit what happens to players on your game, as long as they aren’t actively out to harm the game itself. It’s myopic and self-interested, but that’s how (some) people be sometimes.
The part that really fucks me off, as a Jew, is where staff (namely Tyr and Discordance) will pretend they actually gave half a single shit about the group in question being Nazis. And this is to me a microcosm of a trend I see out in the real world, too — token allyship of convenience. If that were really your concern, you would ban Nazis on your game even when they’re actively contributing to your game or endorsing it, not just when they’re detracting. You shouldn’t get to pretend like you’re an antifascist supersoldier, when you only start caring about Nazis in your community once you yourself become their target.
Also, Ppurg is currently pretending that I’ve somehow victimised him by disclosing personal information about him, somewhere, somehow. I’d like to go on record stating the only thing I’ve disclosed about him, to anyone, is screenshots of antisemitic tirades he’s made about me.
You’re not a victim for suffering consequences for your own actions.
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My peeve is Im too intimidated by Concordia and don’t have anywhere to play now
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@Cobalt Donut be intimidated! Fake it 'till you make it, baby! You can dooooo it!
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@Kestrel Arghhh, fffff.
Dox the fucker if you can. A natural consequences of being a nazi is to get the living shit kicked out of you.
Also, is it just me or is it just getting worse and worse with the open antisemitism etc.?
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@Gashlycrumb The internet is a wonderful, amazing thing for helping you find Your People – but it’s also a horrifying, disgusting thing for helping horrible, disgusting people find Their People, which convinces them that there are a ton of them and “everyone” will support them when they act on their horrible impulses because everyone in their echo chamber supports them when they talk about it.
Having two neo-Nazis in a small rural town was bad enough, but they could just be the town’s missing stair that everyone knew about and avoided, but when those two chuckleheads can go online, find Their People, and get hundreds or thousands of positive responses for their bullshittery, it emboldens them to take their bullshittery offline.
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@Cobalt I honestly would not be intimidated here, there seems to be barely anything going on beyond one group that I just won’t play with. There are some nice people there, I say give it a shot.
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@Kestrel said in MU Peeves Thread:
its policy of permitting underage characters (and sexual scenes involving them)
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PEEVE: Perfectly good free time for RP ruined by chronic migraine.
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Why?
PROS: No one is a stickler for anything. It has slowed down since a spike but staff seems to be kind and attentive.
There is a group of role-players there that write amazingly well and it’s a bit intimidating. They seem to be friends and are active but I haven’t dealt with hostility.
If you give it a go ping me elsemu* and we can always RP.
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@Buttercup Had experiences with some of them on a different game and we do not mesh. It’s a shame, but these things happen.
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@Buttercup said in MU Peeves Thread:
There is a group of role-players there that write amazingly well and it’s a bit intimidating. They seem to be friends and are active but I haven’t dealt with hostility.
If you mean the people who write a novel for their poses and talk about 1000+ words poses, yes they write really well, but for myself, that’s not what I’m looking for in an RP partner. It’s too much. it drains my creativity way too fast trying to keep up with them, and I fear I will be seen as a lesser RPer for shorter, but still substantial, poses because of that. Longer is not better, in my honest opinion, especially in a cooperative hobby like RP.
I am finding that there is a core group that does like that, and it’s been making me wonder if Concordia is really the game for me because that seems to be what is seen as the ‘good’ RP on the game.
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@Pink If it helps (I know it might not), there are plenty of us there who are more than happy with a couple of well written lines as poses. Some days I am in an okay mood to be able to write a novel for a pose, but mostly my brain is way too fried for it. I’ve been in scenes on Concordia and elsewhere, where zingy one liners wind up as the end of a scene cause that’s just how we roll.
Kudos to those who manage to consistently feel capable of 1000+ word poses though, and some are lovely roleplayers whom I always enjoy rping with. Even if I feel a little inadequate for my relatively smol poses in comparison
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@Cornpopped I regularly pose 2 to 4 reasonably-sized paragraphs for poses, so I’m no slouch when it comes to word count, but I guess, for me, it feels like a mismatch in RP styles, and playing with those you are mismatched with is less enjoyable for me. I’d much rather play with someone who poses shorter poses than me rather than longer ones. I can adjust down so we’re on the same kind of rhythm, and that’s fine, it’s just a lot harder for me to adjust upwards.
I agree there are people who seem to be in the same posing style as myself, I’ve just not had a chance to RP with them yet, for various reasons.
The other problem I have with the people who write novels is that they give too much to react to, they advance the scene so much with their poses, that I’m left being like, I wanted to explore this one thing in this pose, but they’ve already moved on past it in their own pose that posing back an concentrating on that thing when they’ve already moved on from seems pointless.
Again, these are just my own opinions, and my own RP style I’ve developed in my 20+ years of M*ing.
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@Pink 4 paragraphs is a short pose in this environment??
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@imstillhere For some yeah, If you look at my previous reply, that’s about the length of the paragraphs I’m talking about in my poses.
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Heh. My peeve is this idea that long = good when it comes to writing.
Having genuinely worked as a professional editor, I assure you, it ain’t so.
The other problem I have with the people who write novels is that they give too much to react to, they advance the scene so much with their poses, that I’m left being like, I wanted to explore this one thing in this pose, but they’ve already moved on past it in their own pose that posing back an concentrating on that thing when they’ve already moved on from seems pointless.
In RP, this. Very much this.
Abelard looks down, embarrassed, and carefully sets his beer glass back in the ring of condensation it left on the table. “So, yeah,” he says, biting his lip, “That’s why I fucked the ocelot.”
Camille has arrived.
Brigid is sitting with Abelard at a table. She looks at him with compassion and says, “That must have been awful.”
Camille comes in and makes her way across the dance-floor, attracting attention with her boss moves and demonstrating all the latest steps. After the song ends she sashays swishily over to where Brigid and Abelard are sitting. With catlike grace she springs onto their table, kicking over a glass. “Fourscore and seven years ago,” she declaims loudly, “I started typing this pose, and civilizations may yet rise and fall before I am finished!” Twirling gleefully, she leaps away, singing, "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum! Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum! "
Abelard stares as time collapses to a pinhole. When his inexplicable lethargy passes and he is able to react he picks at his shirtfront, noting ruefully that the beer splashed on him by Camille’s kicking feet has dried to an indelible stain.
Brigid says, “What the fuck.”
Very often either all the other PCs are frozen in time while the “great writer” fillibusters, rendering the dialogue disasterous, or it’s five hundred words describing how the trail of smoke from Camille’s cigarette swirls slowly and majestically about in the still air of the stinking and stuffy dive bar until it forms an elegant Rorschachian type image that resembles a tiny man standing outside a giant vagina wondering if he should go inside or not.
Edited for typoes and to add: Don’t feel bad for writing badly while gaming, either. Have fun, this is play-time. You’re probably not even close to as bad as you think, anyway.
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