MU Peeves Thread
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I’ve never known a workflow that didn’t involve dozens of e-mails and gratuitous pings on Slack. So I don’t think it’s something helpful to GMs.
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… at the same time this for sure began with someone having a realization that their experience isn’t other’s experience and now their world view is bigger so… maybe we should all coach our responses like that.
(My admin hat is not on, just meee)
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@helvetica said in MU Peeves Thread:
This is toeing into the territory of the… spreadsheets in our pretendy fun times discourse. Reasonable steps to remain organized and keep a sustainable pace? Yes. Turning it into something that might be done from a cubicle? Pass.
how dare
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@Tori my experiences are different from yours and now your world view is bigger, deal with it
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@Pavel how do I downvote this
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This one isn’t actually MU-sourced, to spare people the need to wonder what game is having drama, but it’s baffling enough to need to share, so.
If you have a problem with a person on game staff, messaging them to say “so when are you going to be demoted?” Verbatim. Is not actually going to fix that problem.
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@Apos said in MU Peeves Thread:
@Pavel how do I downvote this
All my posts start with a -10 score already.
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If nothing else, I can’t think of a purer expression of disrespect. Whoa.
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@imstillhere I looked for a good one online and didn’t like them. My professional ones really are jargony and look a lot like these. The ones I think most people will be familiar with are the pages in RPG rulebooks telling you how to run combat, initiative phase, declaration, etc. The one I am talking about is the one that started when I sat down to the MU on a ‘staff work day’ for me.
@sao Oh, I wasn’t refusing to define terms. I just didn’t answer that question in less than an hour and a half. Largely this was because I was otherwise engaged, ie, having a life. Also because I was puzzling over how not to sound contemptuous while defining a term for some people while another set of people are telling me how offensive it is of me to suggest, even hyperbolically, that anyone in the hobby isn’t already using that tool.
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fight, fight, fight
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@Gashlycrumb said in MU Peeves Thread:
Also because I was puzzling over how not to sound contemptuous while defining a term for some people while another set of people are telling me how offensive it is of me to suggest, even hyperbolically, that anyone in the hobby isn’t already using that tool.
I don’t think most people were saying it was offensive, just that it was wrong. Almost any way that you work is, by definition, a workflow. Is what people were pointing out.
Just because you might hate Waterfall and prefer Agile, doesn’t make Waterfall not a workflow, for example.
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Honestly this conversation has led me to believe that I am enriched simply by not knowing what a workflow is, so I’m glad to go on about my business at this point.
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@sao Remember when we were talking about chocolate flows? Can we revisit that?
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@Snackness is this what circling back feels like?
let it be a challenge to you
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@Snackness Please. Yes. All the chocolate.
@sao In my current position, I set up customized workflows for (large corporate scientific research) clients. Essentially, there is a standard operating procedure (SOP) for each sub-task their scientists do in order to conduct their experiments/analyses in a repeatable fashion. I arrange pieces of software that help them keep track of what options are allowed per the SOP relating to the step of the process they’re currently on.
Basically, a workflow as I understand it is a big decision tree so that work (science) can be done consistently and repeatably by different humans.
This is understandable when one is doing science at a large lab (or even a small one, if one is publishing it). I cannot think of any possible reason to have a formal workflow when playing pretendy fun-time games. One might want to be consistent but there’s very little need for repeatability nor is it likely anyone will get audited or investigated over any of this (one hopes!).
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@sao We tabled it, we put a pin in it, I do think it’s time to circle back and ideate.
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Structure and process is great and helpful but in my experience in something as casual as MU staffing, I think flexibility is just more valuable than a really structured development workflow.
idk it doesn’t necessarily seem that useful to talk about since the very obvious Way Too Little and Way Too Much are what is going to come to mind in any discussion.
