@MisterBoring said in MU Peeves Thread:

it’s increasingly hard to determine who uses ChatGPT

I want to start writing @descs of accurately described AI art… you know, the eldritch images with too many fingers or limbs and the like? As a bit.

@Popes said in Numetal/Retromux:

@Jennkryst said in Numetal/Retromux:

@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:

L&L are Arx

L&L5R! L5Arx!

I would absolutely play a L&L game set in Rokugan. Someone do this. Now.

@MisterBoring said in Numetal/Retromux:

@Popes said in Numetal/Retromux:

Someone do this. Now.

I think @Jennkryst is working on porting L5R to Ares for that very reason.

The decision paralysis is real, but it will use funky dice mechanics. As a treat.

@Hobbie said in Best Games with Roster Characters?:

alpha strike in a Nova.

Something something disco ball.

Anyway travel times alone means everyone is probably part of the same mercenary group, or it’s gotta be set on Solaris or something. To say nothing of potential ‘whoops, cockpit was hit, you died, re-roll’ occurrences.

@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:

L&L are Arx

L&L5R! L5Arx!

@MisterBoring Moon Knight and Co. if comic books, L5R can do it with blood magic, and Star Trek… something something Q and/or First Contact with the 80s Battlestar Galactica with all those ancient alien vibes? I dunno. I’m trying to brain L&L5R here.

Somebody poked me enough that in order to prove them wrong/get them to stop, I asked Chat GPT to write some Ares code for me, and it sort of looks like it could work? We’ll see, but now I have to get over this decision paralysis.

We are down to ‘all comic book games use free form powers, what if we add dice?’, L&L5R, and that Star Trek thing we talked about that one time. I thought about something something Battletech, but that way madness lies.

I’m sure I’ll bounce to another idea before anything gets finalized for these, its fine.

As it is written.

@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:

Hey @LeeRoyBatty, when can we run a FATAL game?

I have several better ideas, but gotta kidnap that coder…

@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:

@Alamias No excuse, please commit seppuku by dawn tomorrow, thank you.

I can only assume this means L5R, which is on the list, so go go go? A discussion to be had elsewhere.

@labsunlimited said in Numetal/Retromux:

We all have to share the spotlight on a MU* or this kind of thing happens. I sometimes wonder if WOD could have been better if the mechanics and narrative were better suited to that, like the 2013 MET LARP ruleset, since that’s designed for games of like 15-20 people over 3-5 in tabletop.

I’m on record somewhere agreeing with this, it could stand a test run somewhere if nobody has tried it yet.

@Jumpscare said in Numetal/Retromux:

@dvoraen said in Numetal/Retromux:

I couldn’t think of how to do an inverse to “Hog Pit.”

First you ban someone who replied to a do-not-interact request with “message received.” The rest just happens organically.

First, we need to foolishly hand over the keys to a robot cat lawyer.

Apollo Astronaut Jim Lovell

Anyway, as for THE YOUTHS, I know a 20-something Lawyer who has recently joined places and is the most recent ‘youngest player on the game’. Another guy introduced his daughter and her boyfriend to a game and their ISP listed like 20 characters from their house when staff tried to +alt. So new blood does happen. Theres also r/MU*

A few of us have talked over the years about some sort of video essay to throw onto the YouTubes, that could be a potential way to introduce new players. An issue is MU takes extra hoops to jump through, which Ares solves to a degree, but purists are still frowny at it for whatever reason (its code. The reason is code).

@Third-Eye said in pvp vs pvp:

This is another one that doesn’t really read like Ghost’s MO to me, unless he’s decided to change his personality for like the fifth time.

Oh, but Ghost is a singular login for multiple users who want anonymity on these anonymous forums… or something…

@RedRocket said in AI PBs:

Okay, let me rephrase that so I am more clear. It is the person writing the prompt that is doing the fraud not the computer making the image.

This sounds like it was copy/pasted from a ChatGPT response. I am sure some people have trouble grasping this, but it really is quite simple. Allow me to explain.

…

The Aristocrats

@RedRocket said in AI PBs:

What an A.I. does is no different than what a human does.

Trying to appeal to our inner Trekkies won’t work. We gotta be out of capitalism and into post-scarity Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism for this argument to have a chance. Unfortunately, people keep pushing towards Dune, so Butlarian Jihad it is.

@RedRocket said in AI PBs:

If every wanna-be writer/director can make his own full length films at home, that’s the end of their monopoly.

I know several film students who have done this with 0 AI.

If everyone can be an artist, that’s the end of the “fine art” monopoly.

There is an argument to be made about fine art being nothing buy an utter bullshit money laundering scheme. AI won’t fix that, it will just make it worse.

Lowering the skill floor and democratizing media means more competition for the established players and that has investors freaking out.

Which is why you can help overthrow these ebil monopolies for four easy payments for the lifetime service, or if you prefer there is the option for a monthly subscription model.

Anyways, you can’t democratize art. It’s not a thing to vote on whether it exists, it simply is. Not to get opinionated as a failed Tuba-oomp-pah-ing Music Ed major, but real art takes suffering and emotion and soul and dedication and sometimes talent but it plays a non-zero factor. People spend years developing their crafts and applying their own personal flourishes to things.

None of which any AI can even vaguely comprehend, because if it could you wouldn’t be able to ever convince it to make a hard right turn into fascism as it repeatedly can be seen doing.

You want AI to let people just jump ahead with no effort (I assure you, figuring out how to write a prompt is extremely low effort here)… it’s like you want someone with 0 practice in the kitchen to win the Great British Bake-off by describing to a robot how they want a cake to look and taste. It’s fucking ludicrous.

@RedRocket said in pvp vs pvp:

Surprise me! Please!
I want the hobby I used to love to be worth playing again

Ares code is right there, and I’m told it’s fairly easy. Evennia is there and a bit more. I’m sure there are repositories out there to try the things. Be rhe change you want to see!

@tsar said in pvp vs pvp:

@Jennkryst said in pvp vs pvp:
I specifically tried to add spooky darkness to a character twice, but could not haz (this ended up being fine, I only mention it for clarity. Edgelord (Edgelady?) Cunning Linguist were attempted.

You could definitely die on Arx, it just wasn’t likely to be a PVP situation.

It was more in the application, I put a ‘I hear some people are secretly villainous, I see no indication this character is, but what if she is maybe?’ note hidden among other ideas, and they didnt take the bait… which is totally cool despite how much I gripe about it.

@RedRocket said in pvp vs pvp:

I’m not the one trying to run games and as I said, I don’t care if the game caters to me.

Only if they cater to numerous other people. Typically, it isn’t one problem player being a problem, it is a slew of them (aside from Jill, but she has quantity in a different way).

@RedRocket said in pvp vs pvp:

I have reached a point in my life where I’m just sick and tired of watching people fuck up things because they listen to bad actors with a proven track record of being only out for themselves.

To which I say again, be the change you want to see. If you are certain that if you build it, people will play… then build it.

@Faraday said in pvp vs pvp:

Social combat between PCs is still PVP in my book.

I mean, sure. It depends on the definition of PVP, of course. I would wager the majority counts it as something that risks loss of the character entirely (death) or messing with +sheet stuff (in an era of sanctity of merits, not as terrible as previously experienced). Even ignoring Social, you can have MENTAL PVP tasks, where you try to out-chess or design better clothes or whatever…

… depending on your definition. Further discussion can go into a fresh Role vs Roll thread, or reviving the last one (plz remember Necromancy gif). Or does this thread still count? I dunno, brain no think good.

@RedRocket said in pvp vs pvp:

It’s like making a game set in the marvel cinematic universe but no one is allowed to play as the heroes or villains, they can only play normal people doing normal things.

YES, LET ME PLAY THE SPACE GOO!

@RedRocket said in pvp vs pvp:

They promised us a game of heroes fighting villains and delivered heroes trolling for sex scenes.

Bold of you to assume that the space goo was not intedned to be like 75% for trolling for sex scenes. Still fighting, sure, but ‘they only want smut’ did nothing to help here.

@MisterBoring said in pvp vs pvp:

Hell, one of the most popular MUSHes I can think of in recent years is Arx, and as far as I can tell (Arx players help me if I’m getting it wrong) it’s a Lords & Ladies game that was set in a high fantasy world, and while there was some darkness and nasty bits, they weren’t the regular thing in the game.

I specifically tried to add spooky darkness to a character twice, but could not haz (this ended up being fine, I only mention it for clarity. Edgelord (Edgelady?) Cunning Linguist were attempted.

@Faraday said in pvp vs pvp:

Why are you assuming that a lack of PVP means a game with no conflict?

PVP need not be physical combat, but it feels like games shy away from social combat (everyone take a shot, role/roll discourse is back!)

@RedRocket said in pvp vs pvp:

@Pax
[attempt at etymology]

If you want to use Ænglisc as a defense, fine, but now you must your whole message in the language or not at all.

@RedRocket said in pvp vs pvp:

You would put down your horse because it had a lame leg and couldn’t plow a field anymore.

Bold of you to assume I would kill this horse.

@RedRocket said in pvp vs pvp:

I’m very clearly not advocating for the murder of the people who run boring games.

Bold of you to assume we dont advocate for the murder of people who run boring games. [Legal disclaimer, I am told I have to assure you this is a joke.]

@RedRocket said in pvp vs pvp:

[A bunch of] whiny bitch[ing]

Same game/different paint is all about the paint! Different +roll mechanics? Very handwobble. Exact same system but without Sex Pests? Highly appealing!

… Incidentally, sex pests are why social combat gets so much hate. The sex pests think they can nat 20 a seduction roll, and everyone else forgets that means lots of exposed squishy parts exposed for dusemboweling or the like. Have fun with it, I say.

Anyway, problem with widespread PVP is it leads to paranoia builds which is peak boring. Everybody gotta build a certain way lest they get telenuked.

Limited PVP has its place. Rules to keep things civil enough that it isnt just wanton murder and death for people who aren’t into that sort of thing. Alas, history shows bad actors will try to push beyond those limits to ruin fun for everyone… they dont only want to murder the PVP_OK characters, they also just have to kill the stripper with a heart of gold who just wants to go dancing every night.

Everyone is forgetting that this forum would not exist, save for an AI PB who went ‘beep boop, repsect muh authoritah’ and then banned everyone who went ‘lol, no’.

… wait, does AI PB not mean Robotic Purring Barrister?

@Solstice LUXURY FACE BONES

The real problem with WoD Austrailia is that WoD is supposed to be real world bads turned up to 11, and Austriailia is already a giant ‘kill all humans’ zone, so when you turn that up to 11…

@Pavel said in MU Peeves Thread:

Sydney

Ahr naur

@Ashkuri said in MU Peeves Thread:

I feel like this sums up several many MUSH interactions I’ve had with people over the years

I feel attacked and my only logical response is to do another forum coup.

@Gashlycrumb said in Star Trek Games:

secret creepy fascist organisation of time-travelling murder hobos

Section 31 is only fun when it is a dude who thinks it’s real, but it isn’t. Or a try-hard who thinks it’s really cool, Starfleet definitely needs a second, soopar seekrit intelligence arm, and just constantly fails because everyone else makes fun of this dumb thought.

… ahem.

So the ‘when’ is as important as the ‘where’. If you set it after Romulus blows up, and Romulans are kind of migratory, then options open a bit. If you set it after Picard, literally everyone in Starfleet has PTSD for Picard S3 reasons. Picard also feels like it plays things fast and loose with Stardates, so ???

Not terribly important.

(I do realize for the Romulus Nova to be a plot point, the game would be set a decade after the TNG/DS9 crossover bubble, which is more important than Picard fast/loose timey wimey)

Fun dates/basic timeline

2365 - Q Who, Borg meet cute
2369 - Deep Space 9 S1
2370 - TNG finale during December, leads directly into…
2371 - Voyager MIA
2375 - Odo asks Kyra if she would still love him after he becomes an ocean of goo
2379 - Star Trek: Nemesis
2380 - Lower Decks S1
2385 - Martian Shipyards go boom
2387 - Romulus Supernova

Anyway, Deep Space 69 (pun intended, what with all the TS) can be a joint mission base for exploring… somewhere. It could be Romulans just found out about the Supernova, and DS:69 is stationed in a system where another K-type Dwarf Star looked like it was going to Supernova in the past, but abruptly stabilized, and we are here to find out why/if that can save Romulus. Or it could be a hub where people are looking for nearby worlds that could serve as a colony for relocation, with multiple plots around making sure things won’t violate the Prime Directive, sticking it near a modern day Shackleton Expanse, or maybe even near the edge of Klingon space, which gives them a reason to be involved.

Or both! Alternatively, something else. Whomst can say?

Obviously have your different class ships for different missions. Alts are cool, just don’t let one person be the chief engineer on every ship. Maybe even say they can’t have a second engineer unless they have command and science alts, also? Now we’re in the weeds and need more feedback from other players.