@Pavel said in RPing with Everybody (or not):

That said I would personally avoid any formalised ‘welcome wagon’ team. Purely due to experiences in the past where bad actors have used such a “thankless” and “honoured” position to act badly and draw people in to unhealthy cliques or harems. Formalising the role can also lead to burn out and frustration, especially as we remember that most of us are in our early-to-mid soon-to-be-deads and we don’t have time to sit and work out the roster for who’s sitting at the park gate to welcome the newbies this week.

Having been a person who was in a ‘welcome wagon’ role both formally in that it was a thing my staff-bit position was supposed to do, and informally, there is nothing that kills a person’s desire to RP broadly and inclusively than turning it into a clock-punch gig. This is how you make staffers or active players who do this naturally turtle up or quit.

@MisterBoring said in AI In Poses:

I could reasonably see imposter syndrome being just as much of a cause for jumping to ChatGPT for posing. I know I struggle with imposter syndrome regularly, and when I make a 2 line pose that describes my characters actions and dialogue in only the most basic terms, I honestly wonder if I shouldn’t just quit for being abjectly bad in comparison to some of the excellent prose I see my scene partners producing.

I’ve said my piece of my dislike of what LLMs generate (what they are doing is not writing) on a qualitative level before so it didn’t seem necessary to say it again. It also gets into matters of taste that are whatever, if someone loves playing with ChatGPT that ain’t my business. But, I assure you, there are some of us out there who would much rather play with a real person whose writing wasn’t the best than try to read purple autocomplete nonsense.

ETA: This gets back to the original peeve that restarted this conversation. If a game allows or doesn’t care about players or staffers using LLM-generated content, then whatever, my problems with it become Me Problems rather than the game’s problems and I’m probably just in the wrong place. But it seems like it’d head off a lot of problems if people doing it said they were doing it so people who didn’t like it/weren’t comfortable with it didn’t have to waste their time

@RightMeow said in MU Peeves Thread:

I don’t know why, but I find that both sad and completely hilarious.

There are a couple times I’ve gotten an LLM to almost 90% replicate what someone has ‘posed’ or ‘written’ (LLM’d) on a MUSH by using a prompt that was more or less asking for the same thing. It is, indeed, both hilarious and maddening.

@catzilla
A hilarious amount of That Guy’s hatred of PBs feels tied up in ‘I associated with Emma Stone at a barbecue once and she told me how much she hated people using her likeness’. Which I kinda love because I’m a person who lives in Phoenix, and people developing a whole personality around one association they had with Emma Stone (she went to high school in a 'burb of the Metro area) is kind of a meme for a certain person in the late 30s/early 40s demographic who came up here.

@catzilla
This is another one that doesn’t really read like Ghost’s MO to me, unless he’s decided to change his personality for like the fifth time. He also never had an issue with PVE games, whatever one can say about his other annoying qualities. But I’ve been wrong before.

@Gashlycrumb
Aww man I LOVED the Dead Bob show (there’s a pretty big Ren Faire near me and it was always a stop once a year). I’m glad it lives on, I suspect the new guy will get into a groove with it.

@Juniper
Right, I’m not sure why self-selecting out of an experience you don’t want is a problem. I don’t think my posts are particularly anti-PvP but I also don’t get much of it and don’t find it worth the aggravation.

FWIW I’ve been on PvP games. I’ve been on games that said they were primarily PvE but ‘allowed’ PvP (probably more common in the MUSH sphere), inevitably with very unclear rules and wildly variable types of players who approached the game real, real differently. The first is fine but not for me, the second is a mess that pleases no one.

@MisterBoring said in Numetal/Retromux:

@thrax said in Numetal/Retromux:

When Staff came to speak to her she did not hide, nor keep information from them. The thing I wonder is how can they ban someone for avoiding conflict from someone known to be a problem. Yes she did hide herself, but is that in itsself worth a full gameban?

Hiding yourself from players you have a no contact with in order to RP with them is something I think deserves a gameban, regardless of how open you are with staff.

Baffling to me how many people do this. Some people don’t like you/will not inflict amnesia upon themselves about you! Best to move on.

@Pyrephox said in pvp vs pvp:

Player vs player conflict, where the PCs are mainly proxies for beating ‘the other guy’ on an ooc level.

I mean, this is what a lot of people who talk about PVP actually seem to want. Which is fine, I understand the rush, but when you look at the amount of code and real-life work that goes into adjudicating this on a pay-to-play AAA game…idk, my friends. Perhaps there are reasons this is less popular in our hobby of unpaid volunteers doing this for fun.

I sure wish there was an active PVP MUSH so people could just go there lol

Also maybe this is ignorance talking because it’s not my thing but aren’t RPIs generally pretty PVP-forward?

@MisterBoring said in AI PBs:

I often wonder how much of that has to do with news coverage. Is any reliable news source regularly covering our hobby?

LOL what? …no…

Anyway, if this was going to go anywhere in terms of litigation it would’ve come up in the 2000s when fan fiction and websites that did ‘dream casting’ for movies were just becoming things.

@Tez said in AI PBs:

In this discussion, I find the approach that AI PBs are ethically preferable to using PBs of existing persons hard to swallow.

This is where I’m at. I don’t care for how Midjourney stuff looks, but I also don’t care if people like playing with it as a toy, even if the company sucks and the whole industry needs to pay the contributors it sucks inspo from and also be regulated. A lot of MUSHing exists in a fair use gray area, I’m not going to clutch my pearls about a new toy just because I don’t like it.

The whole ‘AI is more ethical actually’ thing just feels like false equivalency bullshit, though, given the many ways it is…demonstrably not.

This is just reinforcing all my stereotypes about 4chan.

LOL thanks for forking this, sweet Jesus.

I don’t like AI PBs but it’s such low-hanging fruit in the AI debate in the hobby I can’t make myself care. Mostly I don’t want games to make Midjourney dead-eyed AI overlays mandatory. Which maybe seems alarmist but some people seem to like the ‘uniformity’.

I have decent luck trolling international cinema/TV if I want to find a unique face. Searches like ‘Spanish actors in their 30s’ and such.

There are some actors I just keep in my pocket because I like their vibe and want to use them when the time is right, though.

I’ll admit I would probably nope out pretty hard of an environment where I had to pay-for-GM on a MUSH, even if the currency was fairly fluid. Might work for some players. Not my thing.

@Yam said in Player Ratios:

Tangentially related but I though we kinda’ figured out that gating/limiting/waitlisting wasn’t ideal. As in the people that generally got waitlisted were more or less uninterested after several months passed.

My experience with trying a waitlist was largely negative, it’s very counter to the way players behave and engage with MUSHes even though it’s easier on staff in a lot of ways, but it was a suggestion by someone who couldn’t get in during a ‘come everybody’ open window and I’m not sorry to have tried it. I’m still pretty pro some kind of population limitation, even if I don’t have the perfect system for it.

I think Ghost is an utter dipshit but this really isn’t his MO. It’s probably just that same 4chan troll who’s been banned from MSB/BMD upwards of a dozen times by now.

Is this the 4chan guy again?

@Ashkuri said in Ashkuri's Playlist:

Battlestar… something: Jonah Quill, but I cannot remember what Battlestar game this was. @Third-Eye knows, she was my boss, lol

Genesis, bwahahaha. Oh the bygone days of successive Battlestar games.