@Pyrephox said in pvp vs pvp:

Player vs player conflict, where the PCs are mainly proxies for beating ‘the other guy’ on an ooc level.

I mean, this is what a lot of people who talk about PVP actually seem to want. Which is fine, I understand the rush, but when you look at the amount of code and real-life work that goes into adjudicating this on a pay-to-play AAA game…idk, my friends. Perhaps there are reasons this is less popular in our hobby of unpaid volunteers doing this for fun.

I sure wish there was an active PVP MUSH so people could just go there lol

Also maybe this is ignorance talking because it’s not my thing but aren’t RPIs generally pretty PVP-forward?

@MisterBoring said in AI PBs:

I often wonder how much of that has to do with news coverage. Is any reliable news source regularly covering our hobby?

LOL what? …no…

Anyway, if this was going to go anywhere in terms of litigation it would’ve come up in the 2000s when fan fiction and websites that did ‘dream casting’ for movies were just becoming things.

@Tez said in AI PBs:

In this discussion, I find the approach that AI PBs are ethically preferable to using PBs of existing persons hard to swallow.

This is where I’m at. I don’t care for how Midjourney stuff looks, but I also don’t care if people like playing with it as a toy, even if the company sucks and the whole industry needs to pay the contributors it sucks inspo from and also be regulated. A lot of MUSHing exists in a fair use gray area, I’m not going to clutch my pearls about a new toy just because I don’t like it.

The whole ‘AI is more ethical actually’ thing just feels like false equivalency bullshit, though, given the many ways it is…demonstrably not.

This is just reinforcing all my stereotypes about 4chan.

LOL thanks for forking this, sweet Jesus.

I don’t like AI PBs but it’s such low-hanging fruit in the AI debate in the hobby I can’t make myself care. Mostly I don’t want games to make Midjourney dead-eyed AI overlays mandatory. Which maybe seems alarmist but some people seem to like the ‘uniformity’.

I have decent luck trolling international cinema/TV if I want to find a unique face. Searches like ‘Spanish actors in their 30s’ and such.

There are some actors I just keep in my pocket because I like their vibe and want to use them when the time is right, though.

I’ll admit I would probably nope out pretty hard of an environment where I had to pay-for-GM on a MUSH, even if the currency was fairly fluid. Might work for some players. Not my thing.

@Yam said in Player Ratios:

Tangentially related but I though we kinda’ figured out that gating/limiting/waitlisting wasn’t ideal. As in the people that generally got waitlisted were more or less uninterested after several months passed.

My experience with trying a waitlist was largely negative, it’s very counter to the way players behave and engage with MUSHes even though it’s easier on staff in a lot of ways, but it was a suggestion by someone who couldn’t get in during a ‘come everybody’ open window and I’m not sorry to have tried it. I’m still pretty pro some kind of population limitation, even if I don’t have the perfect system for it.

I think Ghost is an utter dipshit but this really isn’t his MO. It’s probably just that same 4chan troll who’s been banned from MSB/BMD upwards of a dozen times by now.

Is this the 4chan guy again?

@Ashkuri said in Ashkuri's Playlist:

Battlestar… something: Jonah Quill, but I cannot remember what Battlestar game this was. @Third-Eye knows, she was my boss, lol

Genesis, bwahahaha. Oh the bygone days of successive Battlestar games.

My understanding is whoever owns WhenIsGood also owns another booking company that actually makes money and this is kind of a legacy product. They do still appear to maintain it, though. I emailed their tech support address when it was erroring out when I tried to schedule things about a year and a half ago and an actual human resolved my issue within a couple days.

I shall enjoy it while it lasts.

@MisterBoring said in AI Megathread:

Science AI model releases an open source schematic for a water powered drive system for cars that gets 450 miles to a gallon of water and can drive at freeway speeds. crickets

That’s not driving advertising dollars and making anyone’s money. ChatGPT does…somehow…

Honestly, I see a lot of promise in narrowly-tailored AI designed to wade through data and do pattern-recognition, but that’s not atm a money-maker for anyone.

I’ve said it before (possibly in this thread, idk, it’s been A Year) and I’ll say it again, all I want from someone using ChatGPT to write poses/descs/thematic stuff is disclosure that they’re doing that. Now, I want this because I don’t want to engage with LLM content in my travels through this hobby and it saves me time and frustration, but at this point this stuff isn’t going away and clearly a lot of people don’t care. So as long as it’s on the tin there’s not much I can complain about.

What I have observed is that nobody doing this, in even in very blatant ways, cops to it.

Which is something I find worth interrogating. People are a lot more upfront about using Midjourney and the like to create PBs and wiki art, maybe because they think it’s more obvious. I guess there’s a level of embarrassment involved that isn’t present for some people when it comes to visual art, idk.

Whelp, now to add ‘Please don’t feed my scenes into an LLM’ to my +finger, too…

LOL so do the kind of players who only stick around for 3 months think social RP is evil or want social RP and are these at all the same thing or two totally unrelated questions?

The Network did essentially recreate ‘the Bubble’ every new season. This was part of why it wasn’t my thing, but it maintained a decent playerbase and closed on its own terms.

OK, but specifically on the New Game Bubble thing.

There is a pattern.

New game opens. The theme at this point almost doesn’t matter. The appeal of it at this point almost doesn’t matter.

It is mobbed by the same 40+ people, most of whom evaporate in 3 months.

The cycle repeats at the next new game, the XYZ of which almost doesn’t matter.

There are a LOT of reasons players don’t stick with games. I think 3 months is a pretty reasonable, and probably more-than-reasonable, time to see if something is for you or not. But the Bubble is its own thing and it’s exhausting and it keeps happening and I want it not to happen again on the next project I undertake.

ETA: I guess I’m interested in the ‘I only like new things’ mentality because it’s so foreign to me and so counter-productive to the kinds of environments I enjoy over the long term.

@Faraday said in The 3-Month Players:

Ares also makes it easier to discover games. This arguably could lead to bigger initial bubbles, magnifying the effects of the collapse.

If this is any more of a thing in Ares than it always was with PennMUSH games, I think this is a lot of it. Tons of players scan the Ares listing pretty frequently in search of new games (to play for 3 months than not play anymore lol) and even back when MUDConnector and stuff was functional, it felt a lot more fragmented. It feels like the only comparable thing available right now is Evennia’s listing, which doesn’t have new games pop up as frequently.