Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo
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@eddie well can they not make an account to defend themselves? This is much like when people try to defend my rights as a minority. When I’m told I should be offended.
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@Meg You may be right, but how many people would persecute them for their perspective much like mine has been up till this point? Every comment is about discrediting me because of <insert reason> while not addressing the main point I’ve been asking them to prove.
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@eddie said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
flying monkey sex pest apologist BS won’t someone think of the poor abused sex pests
IDK how to tell you this but your “friend” isn’t gonna be proven innocent, Ed. He’s got multiple accusers in this thread and all he can do is send his flying monkeys in to attack people here. It’s a bad look.
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@eddie posting experiences on a game forum isn’t giving sworn testimony in a court of law. nobody even remotely views them in the same light, except for people attempting to draw those parallels to set up something to knock down.
I mean, that too is something that has been done forever on MUSHes too. A lot of places didn’t feel like they could remove players without very technical due process, ect. “BUt youRE nOT BeINg FAirR!!!” has been used to great effect to intimidate people running games by people who don’t like the staff decisions since MUing was a thing I am sure.
In this case, the staff are not kicking the person being spoken about off their game. It seems like they’re pretty straightfoward that if you want to play there and you don’t like this person, well, deal with it or don’t play or leave. Are they upset with people who don’t like this Hadrix dude not staying around? So unattached internet forums don’t really matter on that game at all.
Even if this is an echo chamber, it has absolutely no effect on this game. Maybe it will improve the experience for staff, because it will not attract people who might expect different actions in regards to reports of repeated unwelcome attention, ect. I’m sure there are people who would be happy to play/even prefer a game that is more hands off.
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@eddie said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@Meg You may be right, but how many people would persecute them for their perspective much like mine has been up till this point? Every comment is about discrediting me because of <insert reason> while not addressing the main point I’ve been asking them to prove.
lol. you’re not being persecuted.
ETA: you’re being responded to.
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@eddie said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
The irony of commenting about how new I am to the site is also turning a blind eye to the fact that the original poster of these alleged circumstances is only ten days older than my account is. They came out of ‘no where’ placing themselves as the sole arbiter of what’s true and what is not.
No, they did not. Their account of events was almost immediately backed up by others, including at least one person who’s been part of this community since before BMD even existed. I would be insulted you think me stupid enough to fall for such easily disproven lies, if your lies weren’t too low-effort to get angry at.
I arrive, reading the disgusting commentary about people who are not here to defend themselves and pose a different perspective.
Your perspective is useless. It does not present an alternate theory of events; it just attempts to insult the community and make us so angry we forget to notice you’ve offered literally nothing of any substance. I understand that you are very, very upset you are not being permitted to dictate what people are allowed to think of you, but I can only wish you good luck in coming to terms with that disappointment, because you will never have that power here.
Even in a court of law, a victim must prove to a jury of their peers that they are innocent and the accused is guilty.
Okay, let’s pretend this is a court of law. You are accusing kopecup and others of perjury. Prove that they are guilty of it, counselor.
Am I being an infant for asking for more than opinion, belief, or alleged conjecture?
No, you’re being an infant for pretending that insulting people is the same thing as a good faith request for more details. It’s boggling that you genuinely can’t tell the difference.
If there is wrong doing, how do we go about correcting the issue?
It’s your game. You fix it. I’m not your troubleshooter and I’m not doing any labor for you.
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@eddie But you didn’t ask for proof of people’s claims? People have offered proof of their claims and you can call for them, sure.
You came and wanted proof we aren’t an echo chamber. You came in on the note of ‘hello… hello… hello’.
Like, and now you’re shocked pikachu face that people didn’t take you seriously or respond to you well?
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You can’t prove anything on an internet forum because there is no judge to be the determinor of fact. No quantum of evidence is sufficient to satisfy people who are already determined of the opposite position. But that’s okay because there’s nothing at stake here except for the court of reputation in which the popular vote is the only one that matters.
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
But we don’t even have an absence of evidence here. We have the same tired old screeds about how bitches be lying and what if people are doctoring logs to get someone thrown off a game unfairly and what constitutes proof and wah wah wah Charlie Brown teacher voice.
You are one more voice in the cacophony but you offer nothing new. You aren’t demonstrating principle, merely intransigence and misplaced righteousness.
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@eddie said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
The irony of commenting about how new I am to the site is also turning a blind eye to the fact that the original poster of these alleged circumstances is only ten days older than my account is. They came out of ‘no where’ placing themselves as the sole arbiter of what’s true and what is not.
Yes, the OP of the thread was also new, but the content of their post was not immediate trolling. It was a mildly length account of their experience.
Your post did not provide any counter to this. You arrived and just immediately started flippantly trolling the thread.
(And actually, I was not framing people making new accounts to engage in a specific thread a negative thing. Not that specific part of it, anyways. Trolling and having no meaningful counter-commentary, yes, that’s a negative. Making new accounts to hop into a thread is a time-honored tradition of "oh there’s a thread on a MU* forum about drama on a specific game, so now more people from that game are going to end up showing up.)
I had responses to the other parts of you posts typed up, but others already said what I was going to say there. They are free to come and defend themselves, you didn’t actually ask for anything you just showed up with jokes, etc. etc.
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@mietze You make a great point in this, thank you for that! I firmly believe in a due process myself when I staff different ventures. While, not to the point that something heinous has transpired and I’m reacting to it after the fact, but I think that being proactive and addressing a situation, or confronting the accused to provide their side of the story is certainly warranted! Sometimes, that judgment call must be made regarding their tenure with a group.
Returning back to the content of this forum, I appreciate you accepting the fact it is an echo chamber. I also appreciate that I have an option to respond in kind. I don’t think echo chambers would be the sole source of inspiration to make adjustments, or even supplement experience, but it’s a spirited debate regardless.
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@eddie on the subject of “sex pests bad,” I wish the entire world were such an echo chamber.
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@GF What a wonderful post, thank you for your reply.
As you stated though, my perspective is useless, but then inquire I provide it, so I’m not sure which I should do in this scenario! Since I have no control, as you informed me as well, please dictate how I should respond!
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@eddie said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@mietze You make a great point in this, thank you for that! I firmly believe in a due process myself when I staff different ventures.
Oh, give me a break.
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Eddie is certainly doing a good job of making the original accusations seem very likely to be spot on.
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@Meg Lol! Yeah, you’re right. So I guess I should ask, where’s the proof that the accused are guilty? I took from your post that they are willing to share.
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@eddie said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@Meg Lol! Yeah, you’re right. So I guess I should ask, where’s the proof that the accused are guilty? I took from your post that they are willing to share.
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@eddie Trying to bait me doesn’t prevent me from noticing you’re still refusing to prove your own accusations of perjury. It just faintly embarrasses me that this is the best you’ve got.
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@GF I asked you how you wanted me to proceed. I’m not avoiding your points.
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Man, I miss fighting with higher class reductive trolls like Derp who actually had the substantive background to make these arguments for real.
