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@Third-Eye said in Prospective Star Wars:
Which is the big appeal of it if you wanna build in Ares.
It probably wouldn’t work well for the vision described above with equipment objects, space, etc. The plugin is just the skill side, and Ares doesn’t work well for immersive code due to the scene system.
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@Jennkryst said in Prospective Star Wars:
I think the biggest drawback of TPM era is that you cannot punch all the space nazis to death, on account of how they don’t exist yet
Space British Empire, if you please. The Sith Empire(s) from the Old Republic era are more banally evil enough, with bonus moustache twirling, to fit the Nazi mould.
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The Old Republic era is what would make me actually pay attention to consider a game. It seems ripe, given how you don’t have to worry about all the restrictions around Force users and such.
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@Roz said in Prospective Star Wars:
The Old Republic era is what would make me actually pay attention to consider a game. It seems ripe, given how you don’t have to worry about all the restrictions around Force users and such.
Saaaaaame.
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@Faraday said in Prospective Star Wars:
@Third-Eye said in Prospective Star Wars:
Which is the big appeal of it if you wanna build in Ares.
It probably wouldn’t work well for the vision described above with equipment objects, space, etc. The plugin is just the skill side, and Ares doesn’t work well for immersive code due to the scene system.
Equipment could be notes on the character, where it says what objects you got and various rules for them - though that makes like… lending someone a blaster tricksy. I am very much not saying each item should be an individual object with it’s own special code. The biggest reason I don’t simply say ‘handwave whatever gear’ is because there are several different gear-modification specialists, whose whole thing is making things fancy. Like this is fine:
Ships can be… le sigh… just normal rooms that we can move the exit to different planets (this hurts. So much.) But also maybe a voucher explaining it’s stats, too.
Or is that still too immersive?
@Roz said in Prospective Star Wars:
The Old Republic era is what would make me actually pay attention to consider a game. It seems ripe, given how you don’t have to worry about all the restrictions around Force users and such.
A possibility, though Old Republic is about as tricksy as the Clone Wars, with needing to thread the needle with the Mandalorian War and Jedi Civil War and all TOR stuff.
MAYBE SOMETHING NEW FOR EVERYONE?!? The New Sith Wars lasted from 2000 BBY-1000 BBY, and the last century was the Republic Dark Age, which ended with the Ruusan Reformation and the Sith going into Rule of Two mode.
But that doesn’t have the INTENSE TRADE EMBARGOES, so is it actually worth it?
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What I ended up doing with my abortive game that I of course will never get around to properly running was just like, “welp, there’s an rebellion and an empire but none of the stuff went down like it did in the movies or eu material or canon. Oh also, none of those characters exist either, ya got an all new cast.”
This is course produces its own problems, but it allowed me to throw out all the stuff from the setting I didn’t like while still managing to keep it instantly recognizable. The plus side: I made an ensemble of fun NPCs.
Someday I’m really gonna have to roll out Per’dita the Hutt, Dowager Queen of the Maw somewhere because she’s just too fucking cool and way too much fun.
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@Jennkryst said in Prospective Star Wars:
Or is that still too immersive?
Well, the thing is - with the Ares scene system and web-based RP, a chunk of scenes (possibly a large chunk, depending on your players) are going to take place in what amounts to off-grid temprooms.
This (old reenacted) scene takes place on a beach on Caprica. If the characters got into a shuttle and flew back to the Battlestar, they’d just pose it. The scene window wouldn’t really change (other than maybe a “So-and-so has changed the location to Shuttlecraft” message if someone bothered to adjust the scene location). It’s a different mindset, with an emphasis on scenes, not rooms.
How would you incorporate coded spaceships into that experience? I don’t think you could, practically.
A gear list is easy enough to add, though you’d have to add screens to view/manage it on web too. The larger question is what you want the gear to DO. While you certainly could code up an in-depth combat system that leverages whatever stat modifiers “Gas Vent IV” conveys, it would be an immense amount of work, especially when you factor in the web portal. And then if you have a detailed gear system, you probably need a detailed economy system so folks have money for gear… which is more code, and more wrinkles.
I’m not saying it absolutely can’t be done. Just that Ares is probably not the best fit for a crunchy, immersive space game. You might have a better experience with Evennia or Rhost.
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Oh, I just realized this was in the forum feedback section. Maybe it could go to Helping Hands?
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@Roz THANKS. I’LL DO THAT.
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@Roz said in Prospective Star Wars:
Oh, I just realized this was in the forum feedback section. Maybe it could go to Helping Hands?
Uh… whoops. My bad, I thought I changed the group. Or maybe fat thumbs picked the wrong one.
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Another vote for the Old Republic here. I’m basically not at all interested in movie era Star Wars, but the OLD stuff is phenom. I ran a tabletop game for a while where my players were part of the group that rediscovered Tython, that was amazeballs, mostly because the era is so wide open it’s basically like playing D&D, you can’t really do it wrong.
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I was so obsessed with the mood and themes and feel of Andor I was very nearly convinced to start my own game up a while back in the “dawn of the Empire” era, and I think I would still kill for one, lol. But Old Republic is just as good to me.
Aaaaalso, if we’re talking a system that would be a fun and easy fit for Star Wars and Ares…FATE is right there already. Just sayin’.
Unfortunately it’s almost the exact opposite of what @Jennkryst is looking for in terms of crunch and simulation, and some people don’t like it, but it’s great imo.
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If it was me, I’d want a game set after the events of the sequel trilogy. Star Wars fans tend to treat the canon like an orthodox religion which must be violently defended against any heretical deviation. I hope a person can mitigate that by just saying “We’re setting this in a time period nothing is written about.”
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@GF There was a Star Wars game that I don’t remember the name of that basically fell apart once the triology events were done and it was SUCH a shame because to me that was the interesting part. The Empire is gone, did the Rebellion have a plan for keeping the economy up? Since there was a war going on did each planet have a plan for how to keep things going depending on the outcome? Do crime families come into power? Who fills the gaps? How do you continue every day life when payments systems break down, etc etc. Like it could’ve been really cool!
But it just died.
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the star wars games i’ve most enjoyed tended to be of the outpost/exploration variety, but i’m thinking that’s just because i prefer that sort of thing in general. (love new/less established planet discovery type of stuff in fading suns as well).
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I like both the Rise of the Empire time and the Old Republic – for very different reasons. RotE is rife with opportunities to punch space-Nazis or play people who decide they don’t want to be Space-Nazis and to play rebels (and Rebels) in an oppressive galaxy (and Force users don’t/shouldn’t dominate because they’re being hunted to extinction). TOE has tons of Force Users, more open-ended canon, and an actual full-out war going on large portions of the time.
And the posts from everyone (including me) talking about their favorite eras is exactly the problem with Star Wars games: everyone wants to play in a different era for different reasons, and some people have absolutely zero interest in playing in certain eras.
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@Roadspike said in Prospective Star Wars:
And the posts from everyone (including me) talking about their favorite eras is exactly the problem with Star Wars games: everyone wants to play in a different era for different reasons, and some people have absolutely zero interest in playing in certain eras.
I don’t really consider that a problem, though, any more than any other MU* has its audience. People always want to play on different games. In reality, gamerunners should build their setting with a large deference to what they’re passionate about, because that will give them the most inspiration for running things. And then players can self-select as needed.
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@GF said in Prospective Star Wars:
Star Wars fans tend to treat the canon like an orthodox religion which must be violently defended against any heretical deviation.
Yeah, it’s a major hurdle. I think there’s a lot of crossover with the kinds of players who like canon Supes games, where the core rule is that you can deviate a bit but at the end of the day nothing ever really changes the characters or world people are familiar with. You pretty much have to declare that this is an AU setting from the get-go, and that alone turns a lot of people off for some reason, I dunno.
@DrQuinn said in Prospective Star Wars:
There was a Star Wars game that I don’t remember the name of that basically fell apart once the triology events were done and it was SUCH a shame because to me that was the interesting part. The Empire is gone, did the Rebellion have a plan for keeping the economy up? Since there was a war going on did each planet have a plan for how to keep things going depending on the outcome? Do crime families come into power? Who fills the gaps? How do you continue every day life when payments systems break down, etc etc. Like it could’ve been really cool!
But it just died.Ugh, it is a shame! One of my favorite parts of Andor was that scene where Forrest Whittaker’s character starts ranting about all the different conflicting factions and cells involved in the Rebellion and imagining how they would have resolved all of that is exactly what set my mind racing. It’d be such a fun setting, but you’d need mature, invested, interesting players and that seems…well, hard to come by, lol.
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@Roz said in Prospective Star Wars:
In reality, gamerunners should build their setting with a large deference to what they’re passionate about, because that will give them the most inspiration for running things. And then players can self-select as needed.
In that vein, let me know if you decide to set your game in the post-Order 66 Jedi Purge era with PCs allowed to choose concepts as Inquisitors, Emperor’s Hands or Dark Jedi.
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I’d love an Andor-themed or post-RoTJ game.
