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Macha Awareness (And Unappreciation) thread
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@dvoraen Well, this is my understanding of the basic scenario.
Macha has something she wants. All is well till she doesn’t get it. When she doesn’t, she craptalks to you to circle of friends, making sure they talk to their friends. She used to have a good bit of influence, and as the bannings have been happening I do think that influence has been drying up significantly.
She’s influenced game runners (or the runners were her friends). She uses anything she can throw at you for circumstance to try to get you to feel bad. Or try to use a form of logic to retell events that are not quite right so she looks better, or not as bad to try to make you think that she is being ganged up on instead of taking personal responsibility. It could be something she’s claiming as rl, or a personal slight she perceives, something against someone else. Whatever gives her an ‘in’.
So at some point you hear from someone you do know - Hey, I heard this was going around about you? Did you know?
She finds way to wiggle into others confidence when she can, and tries to change their opinions of intended target. If your in her confidence, she’s probably talking about you to other people too.
I think that’s pretty much how it works. She’s still around. She hasn’t left the hobby, and is still trying to convince people things aren’t her fault.
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@CuriousGamer. Jokes on them/her. Somebody was probably already paging me that I’m the worst, so that doesn’t phase me.
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You know, hearing about her going around trying to get money from people – it makes me think of the big DM conversation she initiated with someone to get them banned from MSB. It was mostly a conversation about how awful I was. Among it, she said this:
“When a truly good person heard about something terrible happening to Roz, and couldn’t bring themselves to express basic sympathy, was when I knew I wasn’t the only one.” (To feel the way she felt about me, etc.)
The “something terrible” was my brother committing suicide a decade ago. And trust me, I would not have wanted to hear from Macha – or anyone else that didn’t like me – at the time! But man, it sure stuck with me that this was apparently an active decision, not just the normal “Oh that’s an awful thing that happened but that person and I don’t get along so it would make no sense to insert myself into the situation” thing, but “Oh that’s an awful thing and maybe I would say something but they are specifically undeserving of an expression of sympathy.” ETA: And the fact that she remembered this so specifically to bring it up ten years later.
Anyways that’s what I think of when it comes to her bothering people for their help.
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@Roz That is some pretty dark stuff. But that’s an example of Macha for you. For the uninitiated she can pull people in, try to show how she’s been wronged in any number of ways. And she hangs onto things.
Most people with common sense might say - I’ve been banned. This place isn’t working out for me. I did something wrong. It wasn’t a good fit. Etc. But she will try to mess with people from across mu*s. Instead of doing it openly she’s largely gone underground.
Sorry you had to go through that Roz. But as has been discussed, she’s not in a particularly sane headspace and plays by her own rules (that she makes up as she goes)
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@Roz Just when I think that I cannot dislike this person more, I hear more stories. I’m sorry that was ever said about you. It’s revolting and cruel.
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@CuriousGamer My experience of her was never as some master manipulator. She was mostly just a deeply frustrating and unpleasant person I didn’t want to play or engage with. But she did always have friends, and I do recall getting the sense that she would rile them up on her behalf sometimes. And honestly, I just assumed that she’d grown up over the years, as most people do. It wasn’t until last year with the big split that I came to understand she had actually gotten worse.
I wasn’t hurt or upset by what she said recently about me, I just recall seeing that one and going WOW, gloves AND mask off, huh.
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@Roz said in Macha Awareness (And Unappreciation) thread:
“When a truly good person heard about something terrible happening to Roz, and couldn’t bring themselves to express basic sympathy, was when I knew I wasn’t the only one.” (To feel the way she felt about me, etc.)
The “something terrible” was my brother committing suicide a decade ago. And trust me, I would not have wanted to hear from Macha – or anyone else that didn’t like me – at the time! But man, it sure stuck with me that this was apparently an active decision, not just the normal “Oh that’s an awful thing that happened but that person and I don’t get along so it would make no sense to insert myself into the situation” thing, but “Oh that’s an awful thing and maybe I would say something but they are specifically undeserving of an expression of sympathy.”
Have you considered punching her in the mouth? Because I kind of want to on your behalf.
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@Roz I can honestly say the only two people in my mush career I have ever gotten to the point of “Can’t stand them, will never trust them again and never want to speak to them again” are the headwiz who ran Elseverse and Macha. Same in real life. I have less than a handful of people I’ve gone “complete cut out” mode concerning.
That being said, both in real life and even on a game where I’ve never met a person face to face, I can never imagine the soulless vileness required to have that complete lack of empathy. I honestly don’t want to either because just trying makes me feel so gross. I am beyond sorry for your loss and that experience.
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@SockMonkey Plot twist, or maybe not, the headwiz of Elseverse was also banned from the Pack (Bailey) and Inifinite Adventures. (Scott Summers)
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@Lucidmoon Oh I am aware. No tears were shed. No shock had.
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Went into the thread thinking it would be about Gundam, came out disappointed, but educated and alarmed.
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I feel like I’ve witnessed this player in all her dubious glory.
Was she obsessed with Supernatural and specifically Dean Winchester? Because there was a player who had an alt named Brielle (I wanna say on HeroMux? Was that a thing?) that was alarmingly invested in Dean Winchester to the point that her email was something like “MrsWinchester”, and when the Dean player on another game we were both on showed zero interest in any of the (two or three) characters she threw at him, she flipped out on everyone.
It’s possible they’re different players with very similar behaviors, but this player had a large dog and was couch surfing circa 2016-17 due to disability, and constantly whining about her various hosts and how inconsiderate they were.
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@Adora I don’t think I was even aware of Supernatural back when I was on a game with her, so I don’t recall her having interest or not, but I just searched HeroMUX and the Brielle there was definitely her. Same name, general skillset (medic-focused), and superpower as her Brielle on XMM.
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@Roz
Okay, then we can add homophobia and transphobia to her list of sins.(CW: transphobia and homophobia)
So, this is all off vague memories and conversations with players more closely involved, but:
She told a bunch of LGBTQ players the day after the Pulse massacre that they were being “too gay” (meaning affectionate with each other, not posing hardcore gay sex) on an OOC team chat channel and driving off straight guys she wanted to date.
One of the “too gay” players responded, “Today of all days? Have a little fucking sensitivity! Our community was attacked, X Player has a friend that isn’t responding to texts or Facebook messages who was performing there last night, and LGBTQ+ people are hurting! Don’t be homophobic!”
This turned into her accusing everyone of biphobia, bi erasure, and misogyny. When X Player (the trans girl) defended others by saying she hadn’t experienced misogyny with the group, Brielle told her something like, “Of course not, you can’t experience misogyny since you’re not a real woman.”
Now, here’s the kicker. This whole time nobody knew Brielle was bisexual, because she’d never said anything, never showed any interest in a woman, etc.
She (rightly) pointed out that it doesn’t matter, because she’s still bisexual, whether or not anyone has noticed her interest, and that they shouldn’t have assumed her sexuality. Just because they’d never noticed her interest in women didn’t mean she wasn’t bi.
Staff smacked her down hard for her homophobia and transphobia, and she either quit or got removed from her FC that was in the group because this was after a dozen or so tantrums because a couple of the male FCs were in same sex relationships, and she especially disliked X Player, because her non-binary character was in a queer relationship with one of the male FCs she wanted.
She threw a big fit about this one because, get this, “he wasn’t even a little queer in the source material and shouldn’t be played as anything but straight… because he’d never shown interest in a guy before.”
She failed to see the irony, but the character came out as either gay or bi a few months later in source material. IDK which but he was dating another guy.
Unfortunately, staff let her keep her other FC for another six months to a year and it was a nightmare trying to get any roleplay done with the group she was in, because every scene it was like she wasn’t reading what you wrote, she was replacing it with what she WANTED you to have written.
It’d be like:
Jessica timidly knocks, very softly, on the front door. She asks, in barely above a whisper, "Is anybody home?"And she’d respond with:
Becky leaps to her feet as Jessica kicks in the front door while screaming profanities and death threats. Becky grabs her shotgun and heads down the stairs at high speed to fight the demon!I am exaggerating only slightly, here. I wish I wasn’t. The reason most of this is second hand is because I got as far away from her as I could once I realized who it was.
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@Roz I’m impressed you were able to come up with a zombie listing for her. Added to the list of known sightings.
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@Adora I don’t know what else to say other than ewww at the intolerance. I’m sorry anyone had to deal with that.
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@Roz Omg. Fuck that. I am just going to share that I was one of those characters that she attempted to SA in a scene before I shut it down. It left me with a very bad taste in my mouth about her and pretty much cutting things off.
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@Roz said in Macha Awareness (And Unappreciation) thread:
ETA: And the fact that she remembered this so specifically to bring it up ten years later.
To me, that would be rage-quit time. And a very not-nice goodbye to her.
