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    • R
      Raeras @KarmaBum
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      @KarmaBum do i get a gold sticker for being able to read that without a problem? XD

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      • shit-piss-loveS
        shit-piss-love
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        @Roz @KarmaBum @Snackness @icanbeyourmuse

        Well I stand corrected. That would bug me too if I saw it.

        So I’ve played characters in the past that I felt had strong accents, though usually what I would do is maybe drop some Gs or whatever but mostly I’d try to convey foreign-ness by playing subtly with grammar and sentence structure that was a few degrees off the western english norm. Is that as bad?

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        • SnacknessS
          Snackness @shit-piss-love
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          @shit-piss-love That doesn’t bother me. If I can read the dialog and get the gist without having to squint at it, I’m pretty content.

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          • RozR
            Roz @shit-piss-love
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            @shit-piss-love said in MU Peeves Thread:

            @Roz @KarmaBum @Snackness @icanbeyourmuse

            Well I stand corrected. That would bug me too if I saw it.

            So I’ve played characters in the past that I felt had strong accents, though usually what I would do is maybe drop some Gs or whatever but mostly I’d try to convey foreign-ness by playing subtly with grammar and sentence structure that was a few degrees off the western english norm. Is that as bad?

            Not at all. I find clever use of sentence structure and whatnot to be far more effective at actually indicating accent in my ear.

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            • KarmaBumK
              KarmaBum @Roz
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              @Roz said in MU Peeves Thread:

              I find clever use of sentence structure and whatnot to be far more effective at actually indicating accent in my ear.

              This. Or even just “he says in a heavy accent.”

              I promise, if you tell me your PC has a deep southern drawl, I’ll imagine it that way. But if folks keep posin a’ me n sech a way as i cannae even unnerstan wtf yo aiccent is even upposed t’be, you are ruining my immersion, and I am going to ruin yours by not playing with you ever again. 🙂

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                GF @shit-piss-love
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                @shit-piss-love said in MU Peeves Thread:

                I mean this example is clearly awful but does this actually happen in the wild?

                Oh, ayuh. 'Ve seen it maw than wunce.

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                • JumpscareJ
                  Jumpscare
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                    icanbeyourmuse @KarmaBum
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                    @KarmaBum said in MU Peeves Thread:

                    @Roz said in MU Peeves Thread:

                    I find clever use of sentence structure and whatnot to be far more effective at actually indicating accent in my ear.

                    This. Or even just “he says in a heavy accent.”

                    I promise, if you tell me your PC has a deep southern drawl, I’ll imagine it that way. But if folks keep posin a’ me n sech a way as i cannae even unnerstan wtf yo aiccent is even upposed t’be, you are ruining my immersion, and I am going to ruin yours by not playing with you ever again. 🙂

                    Clever sentence structure is awesome. Using ‘typical’ words a lot for the accent or basically writing ‘in that accent’ where I have to spend more time translating than trying to RP, I’m likely to finish the scene and avoid you than RPing with you in the future.

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                    • SolsticeS
                      Solstice
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                      The best for writing phonetically is someone talking with their mouth full, or someone who’s taken enough of a beating to the face enough to warrant it.

                      …or I guess someone who’s just been to the dentist.

                      These are all great.

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                      • OmenO
                        Omen
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                        I am guilty of writing with a hanging ‘g’ in a game I’m in at present, with a bit of ‘wanna’ and ‘gonna’ but otherwise that’s about as extreme as I think it ever gets. It seems like there’s a pretty wide range of examples listed here. Is there generally some kind of more acceptable standard for writing accents (such as, not at all)?

                        At any rate, I feel bad for inflicting that on people unintentionally. I can see how it might be an issue.

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                        Still I planted my seeds

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                        • RozR
                          Roz @Omen
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                          @Omen said in MU Peeves Thread:

                          I am guilty of writing with a hanging ‘g’ in a game I’m in at present, with a bit of ‘wanna’ and ‘gonna’ but otherwise that’s about as extreme as I think it ever gets. It seems like there’s a pretty wide range of examples listed here. Is there generally some kind of more acceptable standard for writing accents (such as, not at all)?

                          At any rate, I feel bad for inflicting that on people unintentionally. I can see how it might be an issue.

                          You shouldn’t feel bad; some hanging G’s, wanna’s, and gonna’s are definitely not what folks are complaining about. (I, for one, currently do the things you’re talking about here!)

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                          • SnacknessS
                            Snackness @Omen
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                            @Omen I am all hanging g’s, gonnas and wannas on the character I currently play. Those things don’t bother me at all.

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                            • CobaltC
                              Cobalt @Snackness
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                              @Snackness Idk why but this post triggered a memory from when I was like fifteen where I got absolutely incensed at a chat buddy for using “gonna” or maybe it was “finna” in like casual conversation.

                              (At fifteen I was convinced only 100% strict “proper” English was correct. At fifteen I was an asshole.)

                              A couple of years later I went on to write out a southern accent like “Ah am (name). Yuh gahts a purdeh mouf”.

                              I’m curious has anyone ever asked someone to stop writing out their accent? Had it gone badly?

                              (Also side note I went to read a book once and the non dialogue was written normally, but all the dialogue was written like the author spent too much time on Scottish twitter and I couldn’t understand a word and immediately returned it…)

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                              • GashlycrumbG
                                Gashlycrumb @Cobalt
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                                @Cobalt I’ve never asked someone to stop writing an accent.

                                I have been asked to stop writing an accent myself. I have never been asked to stop writing an accent politely, it’s always been snippy fuckery along the lines of, “Stop that, it’s so obnoxious, some people use screen-readers you know!” I comply without comment, biting back the impulse to ask, “Does anyone in the scene right now use a screen-reader or are you just trying to pretend your personal preference is morally superior?”

                                I don’t really mind, and would actually be happy to do so if people were courteous. As is, well, they can’t see me roll my eyes at them and complying is less boring and annoying than trying to play Miss Manners, though not always less boring and annoying than avoiding them in the future.

                                When asked to stop typing an accent that is composed of the occasional substitution if ‘ee’ for ‘i’ and ‘zh’ for ‘th’ and a whole bunch of grammatical errors, I’ve fixed the spelling and ignored further comments about the remaining ‘accent.’

                                When people complain that it’s just somehow bad practice in writing, I tend to respond with this:

                                “Society invents a spurious convoluted logic tae absorb and change people whae’s behaviour is outside its mainstream. Suppose that ah ken aw the pros and cons, know that ah’m gaunnae huv a short life, am ah sound mind, ectetera, ectetera, but still want tae use smack? They won’t let ye dae it. They won’t let ye dae it, because it’s seen as a sign ay thir ain failure."
                                – Irvine Welsh, Trainspotting.

                                I have a much easier time understanding Welsh than I do certain American slang.

                                "This is Liberty Hall; you can spit on the mat and call the cat a bastard!"
                                – A. Bertram Chandler

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                                • SpaceKhomeiniS
                                  SpaceKhomeini @Jumpscare
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                                  @Jumpscare

                                  Don’t think you can use online translation tools for this either.

                                  American/Canadian English to Glaswegian Scots is just something that hasn’t been properly automated. Until I can find an algorithm that can properly figure out just when “bawbag” should enter a sentence, I will cling to this stance.

                                  I woke up feeling so good, I think I’d better call in sick/ I need a personal trainer to help me hold my drink
                                  I plan to be spontaneous next time we meet/I’m putting off procrastinating until next week
                                  I’ll get onto it when I give a shit

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                                  • SnacknessS
                                    Snackness @Cobalt
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                                    @Cobalt I have never asked anyone to stop it. I just come to this place and bitch about it.

                                    (that’s not true, I bitched at WORA and MSB, this place didn’t exist when the accents were thick on the ground)

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                                    • GashlycrumbG
                                      Gashlycrumb @SpaceKhomeini
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                                      @SpaceKhomeini said in MU Peeves Thread:

                                      Until I can find an algorithm that can properly figure out just when “bawbag” should enter a sentence, I will cling to this stance.

                                      AI will never manage this, and in Scotland, CAPTCHA asks you to correctly place ‘bawbag’ in a pre-generated sentence.

                                      BUT just throwing it in randomly works about 80% of the time.

                                      "This is Liberty Hall; you can spit on the mat and call the cat a bastard!"
                                      – A. Bertram Chandler

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                                      • hellfrogH
                                        hellfrog @Gashlycrumb
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                                        @Gashlycrumb said in MU Peeves Thread:

                                        “Society invents a spurious convoluted logic tae absorb and change people whae’s behaviour is outside its mainstream. Suppose that ah ken aw the pros and cons, know that ah’m gaunnae huv a short life, am ah sound mind, ectetera, ectetera, but still want tae use smack? They won’t let ye dae it. They won’t let ye dae it, because it’s seen as a sign ay thir ain failure."
                                        – Irvine Welsh, Trainspotting.

                                        This is terrible, and I hate reading it. I’m sorry.

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                                        • PavelP
                                          Pavel
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                                          I will say that lots of what people are picking out as accents, like cannae and dinnae etc aren’t actually just accents, they’re elements of Scots. A language (or dialect, depending on your definition) all its own.

                                          A minor gripe, to be sure, but fuck lexical essentialism.

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                                          • GashlycrumbG
                                            Gashlycrumb @hellfrog
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                                            @hellfrog And yet it’s a much-praised work, in spite of not winning a Booker and Welsh griping that the Booker is “imperialist” and “anti-Scottish.”

                                            I don’t think Welsh is so great.

                                            Maybe it doesn’t technically count as a “spelled out accent” but is Scots language.

                                            And

                                            Wee, sleekit, cowrin, tim’rous beastie,
                                            O, what a panic’s in thy breastie!
                                            Thou need na start awa sae hasty,
                                            Wi’ bickering brattle!
                                            I wad be laith to rin an’ chase thee,
                                            Wi’ murdering pattle!

                                            I’m truly sorry Man’s dominion
                                            Has broken Nature’s social union,
                                            An’ justifies that ill opinion
                                            Which makes thee startle
                                            At me, thy poor, earth-born companion
                                            An’ fellow-mortal!

                                            etc

                                            ETA Robbie Burns

                                            "This is Liberty Hall; you can spit on the mat and call the cat a bastard!"
                                            – A. Bertram Chandler

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