What Is Your Preferred Play Style?
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I wish I could go back to the days of the before-fore when I was young and full of energy and able to pump out a pose in <10 minutes during prime time evening hours but my old lady brain can’t even string together a single sentence in that amount of time anymore. I’m old, tired, and have approximately 10,000 distractions going on simultaneously that I can’t turn off. If it’s not work, it’s the kids or the spouse or the dog or just me, because I’m tired and grumpy and hangry and so on and so forth.
Right now it took me like 10 minutes to respond to THIS because the dog wanted belly rubs and I’m trying to turn word salad into actual sentences that somebody could read lol
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@bear_necessities The other thing about me is I don’t really grok the long-poses-are-better thing.
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@Gashlycrumb said in What Is Your Preferred Play Style?:
About what percentage of asynch scenes are about a round of poses a day, vs what’s being called ‘distracted’ – poses every few hours throughout the day. I had imagined most asynch RP was the latter, people posing during their breaks at work. I can’t really do this and have been guessing that asynch isn’t for me because I’d slow it down.
I don’t have an answer to this, because I just don’t have the data, but it’s another interesting thing about definitions: to me, poses every few hours is definitely async and not distracted, which i think of more like – taking one hour to pose would be on the long side. (IME distracted often ends up being similar to active pacing, maybe a LITTLE slower, with occasional longer pauses as folks have a meeting, work distraction, etc. It has seemed more like ‘occasional pauses are more expected/anticipated.’)
Which just goes to show the importance of individual games defining what the terms mean for them.
Poses every couple hours definitely reads async to me, at least.
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The difference between ‘distracted’ and ‘async’ might just be ‘distracted’ generally prompts the players involved to more clearly establish exceptions. ‘I’m at work and can RP normally but may be dragged into meetings that cause hour+ lags.’ Or ‘I can RP but am watching the kids so posing will be really slow.’ IDK, when both tags were introduced I was not clear on the difference but now I definitely feel it as a vibe and am way more comfortable doing a ‘distracted’ scene (it’s how I tag most of the RP I do during work hours, and those scenes tend to have concrete ends and people don’t seem to straight up ghost nearly as often).
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@Roz Yeah. I would have guessed that ‘distracted’ would mean 20-30 minutes between poses, I am chopping onions and need to finish and wash my hands before I can respond kinda thing. I would have guessed that ‘asynch’ would be, like five poses over the course of a day for most and that one-round-per-day would be more a special arrangement. Since I don’t like to mix MU with work hours at all, I figured I’d be really annoying, people waiting for me to pose, work, pose again at break, pose again at lunch, etc, when I won’t actually be there 'til my workday’s done, making me equivalent to the guy who takes an hour to pose when everybody else is taking ten minutes.
Not that I’ve really thought about it all that much. I have spent a fair amount of time pleading with staffers to just do the convo with NPC asynch one pose a day or even fewer, rather than scheduling it as an event three weeks from now when we both know it’ll probably take all of four rounds, but that’s about the limit of it thusfar. I keep running out of chargen-energy in spite of wanting to try several ares games.
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@Third-Eye said in What Is Your Preferred Play Style?:
IDK, when both tags were introduced I was not clear on the difference but now I definitely feel it as a vibe and am way more comfortable doing a ‘distracted’ scene
Yeah admittedly the names maybe aren’t the greatest. The idea was meant to be that distracted scenes are often primarily synchronous, just with more pauses expected. Maybe it would’ve been less confusing just to call them async. I dunno.
I think it can be helpful to look outside MUs for parallels in the terminology.
- Voice calls and slack huddles are synchronous communication only because there’s an expectation that you won’t leave the other person hanging without a “sorry, someone at the door, BRB”, and then only for a few minutes at most.
- Texts and discord chat are asynchronous. You might get bursts of synchronous back and forth, but it’s perfectly normal for someone to stop replying for long periods without needing to justify it.
ETA: Maybe “Hybrid” would have been better than “Distracted”, in retrospect.
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@ratatat poses at a good clip when we’re online at the same time. But being on opposite sides of the world makes that tricky, so a lotta times it’s a few hours of traditional RP, then “I will answer this in the morning,” to be followed by a few rounds of distracted RP before we wrap up what is now I guess an async scene.
Is this async? Distracted? Traditional?
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@Faraday said in What Is Your Preferred Play Style?:
@Third-Eye said in What Is Your Preferred Play Style?:
IDK, when both tags were introduced I was not clear on the difference but now I definitely feel it as a vibe and am way more comfortable doing a ‘distracted’ scene
Yeah admittedly the names maybe aren’t the greatest. The idea was meant to be that distracted scenes are often primarily synchronous, just with more pauses expected. Maybe it would’ve been less confusing just to call them async. I dunno.
Whether or not “distracted” was exactly the right term, I do think having a term separate from async has been really helpful!! I wouldn’t want to see it go away.
@KarmaBum said in What Is Your Preferred Play Style?:
@ratatat poses at a good clip when we’re online at the same time. But being on opposite sides of the world makes that tricky, so a lotta times it’s a few hours of traditional RP, then “I will answer this in the morning,” to be followed by a few rounds of distracted RP before we wrap up what is now I guess an async scene.
Is this async? Distracted? Traditional?
To me it’s traditional with a pause. I guess I always think of async as having expectation of consistent length between poses/rounds, whereas a traditional scene can be paused, such as overnight or during the time both parties aren’t awake/at the computer, and then it’s resumed at a generally synchronous pace, be it traditional or distracted.
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@Roz said in What Is Your Preferred Play Style?:
Whether or not “distracted” was exactly the right term, I do think having a term separate from async has been really helpful!! I wouldn’t want to see it go away.
Yeah, same. If anything I’ve found it more useful in terms of expectation setting than async, which has wildly different definitions depending on the player.
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@KarmaBum Yeah, that just seems like a pretty normal way to play.
Aside: I find I dislike the term ‘traditional’ in MU-land, having had these encounters with “my game will fix all the traditional MU problems!” people making games that feature problems those ‘traditional’ problems were designed to fix. (Unless you are comparing MUSH ‘tradition’ to ‘confederate heritage.’ In that case, go forth and be blessed.)
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One thing I will say about async scenes that has happened to me in the past, which annoyed me to no end: If I’m part of it, let me be fuckin’ part of it.
It’s async, stop just posing over or around me and actually let me contribute to the fuckin’ thing. It’s not my fault that you decided to all connect at the same time while I was asleep, because I live on the other side of the planet to you.
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@Roz said in What Is Your Preferred Play Style?
whereas a traditional scene can be paused, such as overnight or during the time both parties aren’t awake/at the computer
Some places even had a local standard of being clear if you meant pause, meaning you’d pick up the scene immediately at the agreed time or when whoever shows up last shows, or hold, meaning you’d continue when everybody happened to be free. I’m all for it, and probably any other expectation management related courtesies we can establish.
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@Pavel said in What Is Your Preferred Play Style?:
One thing I will say about async scenes that has happened to me in the past, which annoyed me to no end: If I’m part of it, let me be fuckin’ part of it.
It’s async, stop just posing over or around me and actually let me contribute to the fuckin’ thing. It’s not my fault that you decided to all connect at the same time while I was asleep, because I live on the other side of the planet to you.
100% percent that. Async 3 pose rule scenes to me are kind of in this weird spot. If it is Async I’m setting myself up to be expected to pose maybe once or twice a day, instead I’m waking up and most of the scene has been, gone and happened.
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Anyway about preferred style, I picked Async but I guess my approach on it was more that the scene happens outside of the current game timeline. There will be times it poses faster, if everyone in the scene is around at the same time, there will be times it poses slower.
Mostly it all comes down to communication for when around/not around, something I recognise I used to be good at when RPing with someone and letting them know when I was around/not around. Perhaps, since getting more used to ARES, I’ve stopped being as good as that.
So, going forward, trying to bring back that habit.
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Tempted to suggest adding on a ‘Glacial’ tag – meaning less than one pose round per day. Those scenes happen to me too – when agreed on with the others – but it would make it clear that when a scene is Async, that does not mean ‘take a week to respond’.
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@Pavel said in What Is Your Preferred Play Style?:
It’s async, stop just posing over or around me and actually let me contribute to the fuckin’ thing. It’s not my fault that you decided to all connect at the same time while I was asleep, because I live on the other side of the planet to you.
I’m not sure if this a reasonable request, honestly. Async scenes are already absolutely glacial in pacing, so are very similar to mass scenes in that way. Pose order doesn’t seem to make much sense there… I’d even argue that 3PR is too restrictive for async scenes and that having it just be folk posing whenever they can is more logical.
When time between poses can literally take days, having a pose order is onerous in an extreme. How long can someone hold up an already extraordinarily slow scene before it’s considered a problem? Sure, there’s communication, but when poses are counted in terms of days, that’s the same type of lag you’ll get for any OOC communiques which will just delay things further. The only reasonable solution, I think, is to throw out any semblance of pose order and just pose whenever, even if that means some people are just ignored because they’re taking days to pose while everyone else is RPing at the breakneck pace of several hours.
Another reason I don’t like async scenes, honestly, though I just assumed as a natural course that async scenes didn’t have a pose order so didn’t mention it.
Lack of structured pose order is also why I’m skittish to participate in mass scenes, but that’s a different topic.
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@STD said in What Is Your Preferred Play Style?:
Async scenes are already absolutely glacial in pacing
If they were that slow, I wouldn’t be complaining about how fast they are, would I?
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@Pavel said in What Is Your Preferred Play Style?:
@STD said in What Is Your Preferred Play Style?:
Async scenes are already absolutely glacial in pacing
If they were that slow, I wouldn’t be complaining about how fast they are, would I?
It’s a relative thing. Async scenes are typically paced in the multiple hour per pose range up to days per pose. That’s still agonizingly slow compared to synchronous, which tends to top out at the tens of minutes.
If everyone in an async scene is taking mere hours to produce one pose, while someone else is taking days, I don’t think it’s unreasonable for everyone else to just ignore the person until they pose. Just like in a sync scene where someone has to idle for an hour, they’re usually removed from the pose order until they return.
ETA: And since the length of time per pose in an async scene is so wildly variable, the only practical solution is for everyone to pose just whenever they can.
Maybe a way around this would be for async scenes to have a maximum time-to-pose, after which the person in the pose order is skipped and the next is given their time. Have the Max Pose Time be a parameter when setting up a scene. I don’t know how conducive to this code change Ares would be, though.
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@STD Except none of that applies to what I said. Timezones exist, and if you don’t want to allow for that, then either say so or play synchronously. If I have to wait hours for the Americans to wake up and continue, then they can do the same for me.
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@Pavel said in What Is Your Preferred Play Style?:
@STD Except none of that applies to what I said.
Maybe I’m being stupid, but I don’t understand how none of that applies?
If I have to wait hours for the Americans to wake up and continue, then they can do the same for me.
This is what seems unreasonable to me. At such large variances of pose times, it seems perfectly fine for those that can pose quicker to do so, exactly like in mass scenes. There doesn’t seem to be another practical way to do that and not have async scenes take so long that any interest or context of them is completely lost.
Async scenes already take days. Do you really want them to take weeks or months? Long after whatever happened in them is relevant or can be referenced in ongoing RP?
Timezones exist, and if you don’t want to allow for that, then either say so or play synchronously.
Okay, this is more reasonable. Setting expectations at the front for the maximum of how long poses should take is good. That way, no one is blindsighted. Again, though, there’s no real support for this feature as is. Async scenes have such a broad diversity in what is considered acceptable pose times that the only reasonable solution is to have everyone just pose whenever they can.
I guess as a stop-gap, there could be an OOC note added to the scene description along the lines of ‘this is an async scene and participants are expected to pose once at least every four hours’. Players who can’t meet that minimum can then just choose not to participate.
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@STD said in What Is Your Preferred Play Style?:
Do you really want them to take weeks or months?
I want to be able to play the goddamn game as more than an interesting prop.
I think it’s unreasonable that I join a scene, get one or two poses in before all the Americans go to bed, and then I wake up (not more than a few hours later than prime time EST) to find the scene’s done with and i barely got to participate.
If you’re able to sit and pose quickly, while others in the scene can’t? Do something else!
ETA: It’s been fifteen-plus years of making allowances to my schedule to be convenient to Americans. Async exists now, so everyone should make allowances for each other. Tough shit that things take longer.
