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@WhiteRaven Apprentices who don’t know anything are fine.
The problem is people who are disciple level and claim to have passed apprenticeship but don’t know stuff OOCly and dick around generally acting dumb. I’m sorry if it came off in another tone. That wasn’t my intention.
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General vibe check on how you feel about yeeting standard chargen and/or experience point costs?
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@jujube For me, it’s not so much your tone as it is my own personal experience. I never had the cash to buy the supplements that tell me How I Must Act in my splat, so games that rely on me knowing that have always been a bad time for me. They feel like they’re punishing me for not knowing things I’ve never been told.
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Maybe it has changed in the years since I played WoD but most of the time apprentice/ic noob PCs have been treated horribly or ignored. Few people seemed to enjoy handholding or teaching RP. This was compounded by not a few people taking novice pc who made a lot of ic constant trouble for those trying to teach them (and it being a situation where there was not repercussions for that/people understandably got tired of playing the bad guy harping on the stupid/irresponsible behavior and even on the WoD games I played in the last 8 or so years before I quit the genre nobody really wanted to have to be the gal who PKed someone for ic sphere culture reasons, even if it was allowed). You didn’t have the skills to get involved in higher level plot. Many games had a lot of gatekeeping for xp spends so if you had a controlling or absent sphere staffer even as you oocly and icly learned it wouldn’t mean you could easily catch up.
I actually think fresh from the hedge/newbie anything pcs or the + pcs (ghouls, ect) can be harder/more advanced to play in a way that gets included in sphere stuff and navigate the would than a standard actual sphere pc, and so are actually not suited to ooc newbie folks because of the baggage/realities of WoD mush culture at the time.
Might have changed. But judging from the comments maybe not. I do not have an issue with gatekeeping a sphere per se but I think it is better/kinder/less aggravation to just be honest (if you don’t have the source books I don’t want you and/or there’s no guarantee you’ll be supported via active RP in game because I prefer to concentrate my energy on players who I don’t have to handhold through things so I will not be available to teach you very much.) So much kinder than telling people they need to app a noob, but then knowing there’s no support/they’ll be sidelined.
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@mietze You’re all misunderstanding me.
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I don’t like people who use the newbie/apprentice excuse to act like an idiot ICly/OOCly.
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I’m fine with people being apprentices. I want people to start off with low arete/sphere count so they can learn and get handheld by PCs or by my NPCs.
I’m not anti-apprentice/anti-newblet. I’m anti-idiot.
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@jujube said in oWoD 20th MU* being setup:
I’m not anti-apprentice/anti-newblet. I’m anti-idiot.
Tempted to play Int 1 idiot who is dumb, but not malicious, which is where I think the actual issue is, but could be wrong.
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@Jennkryst I would be fine with that. For sure.
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@jujube i guess the question is do you have the resources to actually hand hold people ic and ooc/do you have other players that are. If the answer is no, then it might be a good idea to just discourage that rather than set up an expectation. You might also plan your exit strategy for when you have a player that decides to take that angle bc they perceive it as a way to ensure more staff attention via NPCs and uses that to leverage against other players.
Thats always a risk on any game, I know. But there are a lot of stealth time and energy vampires out there that can really create problems either unwittingly or by design. I think awareness and boundaries help a lot with that though.
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@Jennkryst I think mietze more means the people who OOC act like idiots and those who are like ‘The masquerade is unimportant and I’ll tell everyone what I am and such!’
It drives me nuts when people are like that. My WoD characters rarely talk about what they are when they are super and people IC and ooc seem confused to why my character isn’t throwing about what she is. I think, except when I was relatively new to WoD (still pretty new since I mainly play Possessed and Sin Eater), I’ve never been straight up obvious about what my character is save for with people she knows or in situations hiding it would be bad for her health/safety.
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@mietze I do have the resources for handholding. It’s one of the reasons why there is usually a magic school of some sort. It’s purposefully used for mage training both ICly and OOCly.
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Anyone who wants to get in the discussion for the MU*.
That is the Discord link. Expires in 7 days. DM me if it doesn’t work for you and you’re interested.
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I’ve said this on the Discord, but I’ll say it here, too. I AM TOO ON THIS ARX STUFF AT THE MOMENT, SO LIKE. I WANNA ROSTER ALL THE WOD. AND ALSO YEET THE WHOLE CHARGEN SYSTEM! AND I dunno what else, I’ve put almost no thought into anything.
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@jujube said in oWoD 20th MU* being setup:
I’m not anti-apprentice/anti-newblet. I’m anti-idiot.
I’m anti-people that won’t read their damned sourcebook.
Not every book in the set. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable for people to at least know where to find the information they need to play.
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