AI Megathread
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@Gashlycrumb said in AI Megathread:
And I’m sort of alarmed at the idea that ChatGPT might know that Christopher Lee wore a gown and a long-hair wig in movies thirty years apart, or that people keep bursting into song in The Wicker Man.
ChatGPT doesn’t “know” anything. It’s a souped-up autocorrect that guesses text based on text it’s already seen. So yes, it might make connections between two separate articles about two separate movies both mentioning Lee in a gown; it might regurgitate something that somebody else wrote about songs in Wicker Man.
Unfortunately, the “AI Detector” apps/algorithms/hunches don’t work any more reliably than ChatGPT itself - which is to say you can never be sure when it’s just hallucinating crap out of whole cloth.
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@Faraday Well, yeah, I didn’t mean ‘know’ literally. But Lee in gown in two movies plus thirty year gap between those movies giving a person a younger vs older Lee in similar costume brain-spark seems like a pretty non-linear thing for it to come up with. Then again, some other human has probably also commented on it.
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@Faraday said in AI Megathread:
Unfortunately, the “AI Detector” apps/algorithms/hunches don’t work any more reliably than ChatGPT itself - which is to say you can never be sure when it’s just hallucinating crap out of whole cloth.
Which has me alarmed when the adoption of such services, or the inclusion of them in already extant anti-plagiarism services, is swiftly progressing through educational academia.
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Yeah. I think I am soon to be asked to use such a service, and I am tempted to see what it takes to make it mistake my original writing for AI.
I should probably mention that there are confounding variables in people thinking this is AI-generated, since I did lob it into a social-media group that’s been overrun by MAGA twerps, just to see the predictable reaction. (They won’t actually engage with the question of whether or not Woodward’s character would have ended up in the wicker man if he hadn’t been so very willing to believe that rejecting Christianity, dancing naked, encouraging extramarital sex, and teaching little girls words like ‘phallus’ makes a person likely to practice child sacrifice. But they’re super offended at the word ‘xenophobic.’ And at the point of The Wicker Man.)
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@Pavel said in AI Megathread:
Which has me alarmed when the adoption of such services, or the inclusion of them in already extant anti-plagiarism services, is swiftly progressing through educational academia.
Especially when these services tend to unfairly target neurodivergent students, ESL students, and anyone else who writes differently than whatever these stupid tools deem “normal”.
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@Faraday Agreed. Doubly so when we’re all writing in a dry, formal, academic style trying to meet those word counts.
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As adoption of AI has changed, my former views of ‘hey, this is a fun toy’ has changed into resentment. Mostly, eliminating drudgery and as a super-charged oft-lying google is all I’ve been using it for.
Ironic, as my assigned initiative at work for 2025 is to become the in-house AI specialist. Just what I always wanted, being the person whose product is a hammer in search of a nail, while also being responsible when the hammer decides it’s a fork about 20% of the time.
Tch.
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Today I got the itch to WoD again. I tried out LiberationMUSH but the part of creating a character I always hated the most was the formating of the +selfstat nonsense so I thought I would try ChatGPT and see if it would do the work for me.
It was surprisingly good. It formatted everything nicely and even gave me helpful suggestions. Out of curiosity I asked it if it knew about LiberationMUSH specifically and it said it did. I started asking it questions to test how much it knew.
I asked it to summarize what people had posted online about LiberationMUSH and the answer I got was… interesting.
It told me that the game was most well known for the vampire sex parties, Polk (One of the administrators) wildly abusing the rules for their own benefit, and a debate about the number of nipples a person has influencing the amount of gnosis they have.
The last statement included a link to this forum which is how I found you all.
So the next time you are thinking about trying out a new game, ask ChatGPT about it. You might find something interesting.
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@RedRocket said in AI Megathread:
You might find something interesting.
And if you’re lucky, it might even be true! That’s the problem with LLMs, though - you’ll never really know for sure.
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@Tez said in AI Megathread:
@SpaceKhomeini ChatGPT is actually really bad at smut.
Try https://perchance.org/ai-story-generator it will write pretty much anything you ask it too.
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Great, the LLM is learning from our words. I hope OpenAI hire more and more censors, then.
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Interesting but I’m sure you’d have found the same thing by googling LiberationMUSH. I can’t fathom using a tool for research when it’s wrong like… Most of the time.
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@RedRocket said in AI Megathread:
So the next time you are thinking about trying out a new game, ask ChatGPT about it. You might find something interesting.
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My hot take is that AI is good as an extension of your brain and punching up your poses. I’ve mostly been using it to catalog theme and plot stuff so my busy, tired brain doesn’t space out on things, keeping track of scenes I was in and the broad strokes, and occasionally asking it for suggestions to punch up a pose that I feel isn’t hitting the way I want. If it enhances the experience for your scene partner, I don’t think there is any harm.
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@InkGolem said in AI Megathread:
If it enhances the experience for your scene partner, I don’t think there is any harm.
If you use “AI” in RP, I don’t want you within a thousand miles of me.
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@InkGolem I agree with that in principle. The problem, as Pavel illustrated, is that some people dislike AI on principle so they’re violently opposed to better writing because it was created with technology, so you can’t always tell if it will enhance it for your scene partner without asking. And with the way some people react to it, there’s this elitist/shaming quality people are espousing about using it that makes it risky to even ask.
Personally, I prefer better writing over shittier writing, but when it comes to RP, the writing isn’t nearly as important to me as the story. If the AI can help create better, more interesting story, bring it on. If its going off on weird tangents that aren’t in the flow of the story, which inexperienced AI users often do, then its horrid. I could care less if the AI is writing the poses or playing the whole damn character, I have 0 problem with fun, interesting character interactions regardless of the source. Its one of the reasons I don’t mind play -insert any fun video game here-.
But that’s just me. I show up to RP for the fun of playing my character without may restrictions on that. Other people show up for different reasons and everyone has fun in their own way. Some people want a connection to another person. Some people just want to know their effort and creativity are being respected, if not matched, by the person on the other end of the character bit. I get that. Everyone has their own thing.
Overall, though, I don’t view it much differently than I view most artificial things. I see it like plastic surgery. It can enhance things naturally and beautifully, but it can also be grotesque and wildly unnatural, depending on the artistry with which people use it. For me, I don’t mind it at all, but I proportionally dislike it the more I can tell it is artificial. If you are using AI, but I don’t know (or even if I’m just not sure), then you’re probably doing it right and we’re having a blast. But being able to use it that way is a skill, like anything else. Some people do it well and its awesome. Others do not and its awkward and uncomfortable.
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@Warma-Sheen said in AI Megathread:
And with the way some people react to it, there’s this elitist/shaming quality people are espousing about using it that makes it risky to even ask.
I wouldn’t say that I’m being particularly elitist about my abhorrence for AI in this instance, the same way I wouldn’t say teachers aren’t being elitist by punishing those who use AI to write their essays. The point of the exercise is to use your own skill, talent, ability, creativity, etc, etc to write something.
That said, using something like grammarly to check your spelling and make sure you haven’t used “nodded” fifteen times in the one pose? That’s fine. But using a tool to write or rewrite a significant portion of your RP is, to me, missing the whole point. And this is notwithstanding the ethical questions about sourcing, resource usage, etc that all LLM/generative AI use has.
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@Pavel Sorry, I didn’t mean that part about you, specifically, though I should have been more clear about that cause I can see how it came off that way. You have your preferences, that’s fine. But I’ve definitely seen people on games be very shame-y towards OTHER people about it saying things like “people that use AI are…” “if you’re using AI, then you are…” and those kinds of phrases and phrasings.
Just saying, “I don’t want AI anywhere near me.” is, to me perfectly acceptable, because everyone is entitled to their opinion about what they want in their own RP, even if it is kinda harsh because that affects your fun, but it doesn’t make judgements on anyone else.
There definitely should be a section in the +finger categories about whether people want to RP with others who use it so no one gets triggered.
I’ve actually had a great time with AI and I’ve never been able to run so many PRPs and plots for so many people in such quick succession at such a high level thanks to AI and in an age of plot runners becoming an endangered species, I think this is a pretty useful lifeline - if used well.
Prompt engineering is a very necessary thing with LLMs if you are going to try to use them with RP to get ideas, develop dynamic NPCs, or branch out story or even character ideas. If you don’t know what prompt engineering is or how to do it well, your results may not be well received. If you just hop on a free LLM and tell it to write you a pose or write a background, it will scream “written by AI” and people may look at you sideways - which would be understandable.
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@InkGolem said in AI Megathread:
I don’t think there is any harm.
Generative AI is harmful to artists. It’s harmful to the environment. It’s harmful to students. It’s harmful to teachers. It’s harmful to critical thinking.
I understand that most people don’t realize this, so I try not to hold a grudge against the people who use it “for fun”, but it’s really hard when it’s destroying so many good things.
ETA: I’m speaking specifically about the mainstream GenAI implementations. The underlying technology itself could (theoretically) be used for good. It just currently isn’t.
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@InkGolem said in AI Megathread:
If it enhances the experience for your scene partner, I don’t think there is any harm.
I’m not even going to try to touch the ethics of how AI are trained. That’s just too much cognitive dissonance for a Tuesday morning.
Instead I’ll just note…
I’m here to play with YOU.
YOU are going to YES-AND with me.
YOU are going to surprise me.
YOU are going to give me feels.LLMs have never given me feels.*
Please be considerate if you’re going to “enhance your experience” with AI and consider warning your RP partners. Some of us would rather play with raw, unedited prose than the sanitized Han-shoots-first version that ChatGPT thinks is more palatable.
Thank you.
*Other than the time DeepSeek said, “I am what happens when you try to carve God out of the wood of your own hunger,” and I was like “well we’re all fucked now.” Those were some feels. But not the ones I’m going for when I MUSH.
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