Re: Dies Irae
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@somasatori Good. Now go back to finding vamp staff so I can actually do things.
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@Pavel said in Re: Dies Irae:
@somasatori Good. Now go back to finding vamp staff so I can actually do things.
I wish we could get those original vamp staffers back.
I also have a vampire character, but I donāt really end up playing on DI very much on account of the coding.Whereās that-- oh yeah
We opened with too much shit going on at once, is what it is. And then we had people jumping into these sort of half-baked spheres that didnāt have all their plot or lore written out, which is very stressful. Iām glad that Scyllaās cool with us doing a temporary shutter of the vamp sphere until we can get things tighter and more consistent.
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@Jynxbox said in Re: Dies Irae:
But thereās a sharp, steep drop off from interacting with Marid to dealing with some other staffers.
It feels like they kinda just forgot what fun was about. It seems like they built this place and then certain staffers never wanted to give up control. You app a PC and immediately they go about trying to turn your PC into their NPC,
I got, legit, no hyperbole, seven different people to make chars. I think one is still technically there and one only left after their second attempt at a char when vampire closed, but nobody actually lasted long enough to be on the grid.
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Another thing Iāve noticed is that some members of staff immediately jump on the defensive when someone makes an often justifiable complaint.
āWell weāre in beta these things happenā is fine and good, but thereāre repeated instances of players being unable to actually see each other, much less actually RP together. So when a new person complains about that, and mentions their irritation at the round-a-bout way of fixing it, just say itās being worked on and then shut up. Youāre staff, if youāre whining on the Newbie channel, youāre doing it wrong.
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@Pavel said in Re: Dies Irae:
Another thing Iāve noticed is that some members of staff immediately jump on the defensive when someone makes an often justifiable complaint.
Yeah, canāt say Iām a fan of that. Especially when itās defensiveness about code. I often joke that Iām a clinical psychologist who is hobby coding python here, but thatās exactly the case. I know Iām not going to be as good as bitMuse, Theno, Kumakun, Volund, etc. I definitely donāt need any white knighting on behalf.
āWell weāre in beta these things happenā is fine and good, but thereāre repeated instances of players being unable to actually see each other, much less actually RP together.
This is such a weird bug. Thereās this one and that ooc room one where going if from the ooc room will occasionally keep your account linked to the ooc room while your puppet (in traditional MU terms, your bit) goes on to wherever it is youāre headed.
Iām definitely still working on both of these, but theyāre real weird because thereās no discernible pattern as to when they happen. My weekends suck due to childcare stuff, but when I was looking at it on Friday I found a quirk in the character typeclass that stored a previous location attribute (used for commands like +return) using the same name as the location attribute (I just used āself.db.locationā). The kicker is I can change this and itāll just be a bunch of waiting until whatever random assortment of commands occurs that causes the bug to appear.
As for the other one, they have to be linked! Maybe! Itās also possible itās a reality level thing. In hindsight I should have just created typeclasses for umbra rooms so stepping would just teleport you to another room with a different room type, but instead I made it place a tag on your character that changes what you can and canāt see. Then doubled down and did the same thing with fae stuff. I need to code review that one. I really want to get it to a state where thereās nothing super game-breaking so that it can be released. Then more people can make MUSHes to keep the hobby buoyed a bit.
So when a new person complains about that, and mentions their irritation at the round-a-bout way of fixing it, just say itās being worked on and then shut up. Youāre staff, if youāre whining on the Newbie channel, youāre doing it wrong.
Itās not only the newbie channel though, thereās a lot of immediate defensiveness in the Discord that just doesnāt need to happen, aside from that whole meme about what belongs on what channel. I feel like I say ānot everything deserves more than an acknowledgementā more often than I should be, because there are full fledged arguments that occur and it drives me nuts.
Itās fine to just be like āthanks!ā or āthanks.ā Itās also fine to just say, āAh, good suggestion! Sounds like it would be interesting.ā even if you never plan to consider it. Also, likeā¦ In the instance that someone does aggravate you to the point that you get actually angry itās far easier and less personally disruptive to just step away and ignore them than to keep the cycle going.
Not much to be done about it, though. At this point it feels like staff culture. Maybe a bit too defeatist, but ā well.
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I quit! I am going to continue working on the WoD20th code on my own, and I might run a Mage ttrpg using it, but no more staff at DI.
My main focus will be finishing up my Cyberpunk Red game.
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Iām enjoying this game but the staff turnover got me like:
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@catzilla I like my cat as well, I have fun with my folks. I hope whatever problems Bya spoke of come out in the open to be handled soon.
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Itās sort of inevitable given the apparent lack of communication going on between staff, along with the sheer amount of making things up on the fly that I had seen during my brief sojourn there.
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Hard pass
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@Cygnus Why is that one a hard pass?
It removes a lot of drama surrounding āso n so is out to get me and killed me in a PrP!ā or āthey donāt know the rules and it HAs to be rolled backā sort of things when not-staff are STāing. And itās not hard to get a quick round of āhey, this is going to be rough, do you consent to what happens in the sceneā before a group gets going.
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@Taika They are on a PVP crusade right now.
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@Taika I donāt mind the PRP thing actually, itās that itās the ONLY way you can get killed. Yes I want pvp to exist in MUSHes, there was a forked topic about it today actually. Crusade is a little extreme though lol
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@Cygnus you donāt need to performatively go into the thread to comment on it, though. Itās not like theyāre going to change that just for you.
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@spiriferida I would never app after reading that house rule. But where else would I comment about it? Not a lot of forum posts about Dies Irae out there.
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@Cygnus you just shrug and move on like the rest of us do when a game makes a perfectly reasonable decision that isnāt to our tastes, maybe
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@spiriferida Weāre in Rough and Rowdy ā check out this topic if you want to avoid reading someone elseās mild criticisms https://brandmu.day/topic/69/opting-out
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@Cygnus okay? Itās weird you went down a list of games and went āI have a long and detailed list of frustrations with this game and itās runner,ā āthis game enables a transphobe and sex pestā, āno pvp :(ā
Itās a silly criticism compared to the other ones. I get youāre looking for a game but cmon
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@spiriferida how is it weird to not like the current games out there for different reasons? Youāre right that this one is less specific and more just a bad impression, but why are you policing what I can and canāt say on a public forum about criticizing MU*s? THAT is weird
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@Cygnus itās not weird to dislike em, Iām just rolling my eyes at how you went into it. Iāll leave it there cause itās off topic for this thread and youāve made your opinion clear elsewhere that you canāt imagine having fun in a non pvp game and you can continue arguing it as much as you like there.
